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Anyong Bluth 07-04-2014 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 10730730)
He's been on PEDs his whole career. prolonged eating dinners

Providing Eventual Double-play

Why Not? 07-04-2014 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 10731217)
Providing Eventual Double-play

Hahahah. I like your better.

dmahurin 07-04-2014 09:01 PM

Wow!

@Ken_Rosenthal: DEAL IS DONE: #Cubs send Samardzija and Hammel to #Athletics for Addison Russell, per sources. May be other players and team(s) involved.

Bowser 07-04-2014 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dmahurin (Post 10731235)
Wow!

@Ken_Rosenthal: DEAL IS DONE: #Cubs send Samardzija and Hammel to #Athletics for Addison Russell, per sources. May be other players and team(s) involved.

I give it a 0% chance the Royals are involved. I'm smart.

dmahurin 07-04-2014 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 10731240)
I give it a 0% chance the Royals are involved. I'm smart.

I agree, but it's pretty big baseball news, and not worthy of its own thread.

Bowser 07-04-2014 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dmahurin (Post 10731263)
I agree, but it's pretty big baseball news, and not worthy of its own thread.

Yeah, no worries. Just kind of a long, round about way of making the point of we won't bring anyone in via trade or anything. Good for the Athletics to go for it and get some firepower in there. Would be sweet if we could do that.

Bowser 07-04-2014 09:48 PM

What time is the game tomorrow? Yes, I am incredibly lazy to not look it up myself.

teedubya 07-04-2014 09:56 PM

I love it when the Colosseum fills up like a colostomy bag. That stadium is such a shithole, literally. I've been there, it's horrible. Those players can't be happy in that shitty stadium the Athletics use.

Prison Bitch 07-04-2014 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10726626)
Ventura easily but Ned would never do it.

Also Zimmer has to be our top prospect despite his arm issues. His second half last year was future 1-starter caliber. He may never get past those issues but we don't know that right now and that makes him remain our top player



Ok I'll retract my comment here: Even Ned couldn't possibly bypass Ventura in a wild card game. It's not possible. He couldn't possibly justify any other decision to his team. They'd revolt if Ventura wasn't the choice. He's a freak.

BWillie 07-04-2014 10:02 PM

Gahhh how am I gonna see some of the game tomorrow

duncan_idaho 07-04-2014 10:42 PM

A's putting their cards on the table and going all in. Really, really good team that just got a little bit better.

The Cubs' collection of young position talent is insane-ridiculous-whatever you want to call it.

First of all, they have an established young, power-hitting 1B in Anthony Rizzo (who is just 24) and an established, young SS in Starlin Castro who has bounced back in a big way from a terrible 2013.

Kris Bryant is the top power prospect in the minors and probably baseball. He's going to stick at 3B, but could be a plus RF, too, if needed.

Javier Baez is a ridiculous SS prospect with 40 HR power potential.

Jorge Soler is another crazy power prospect who signed a huge deal out of Cuba.

Addison Russell is a do-it-all SS with power and could be ready for the majors as soon as next season. Plug glove, plus hit, plus run, plus power.

Throw in that Kyle Schwarber has been absolutely demolishing the baseball since being drafted, and it just keeps getting better. Schwarber is going to make it to A+ ball and maybe even AA before the year is over. He has a 1.200 OPS (yes, you read that right) in a very small sample size at A ball, but honestly I don't know what else he has to prove there.

In Bryant, Baez, Russell, and Schwarber, the A's have FOUR position players who will likely rank in the top 15 of baseball prospects, consensus. And they're all going to arrive in the next two years.

That's not even mentioning the several excellent complementary pieces (2B Arismendy Alcantara, who has a .900 OPS at AAA right now, with a SLG around .550; CF Albert Amora, a toolsy young CF who will be a top 75 prospect; CJ Edwards, who got off to a great start in AA this year; Billy McKinney, also acquired in this deal, who put up a .964 OPS in full-season ball at age 18 last year).

Epstein is doing some pretty impressive things there on the North Side. Watch this offseason... he will move Castro for some pitching (young, long-term controlled offensive SS on team friendly-deal) and set up what could be a real dynasty.

At least by next season, we'll no longer be hearing about the Royals and "best farm system ever" ... don't see any way that's not chalked up as the Cubs.

tk13 07-04-2014 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 10731268)
Yeah, no worries. Just kind of a long, round about way of making the point of we won't bring anyone in via trade or anything. Good for the Athletics to go for it and get some firepower in there. Would be sweet if we could do that.

We did trade one of the best prospects in baseball for two years of a starting pitcher. To be fair the Royals have probably "went for it" as much as any team in baseball these last two years, it just didn't happen during the season.

C3HIEF3S 07-04-2014 11:09 PM

Ventura's pitching delivery is just so smooth. He makes throwing triple digits look like cake.

Three7s 07-04-2014 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10731323)
A's putting their cards on the table and going all in. Really, really good team that just got a little bit better.

The Cubs' collection of young position talent is insane-ridiculous-whatever you want to call it.

First of all, they have an established young, power-hitting 1B in Anthony Rizzo (who is just 24) and an established, young SS in Starlin Castro who has bounced back in a big way from a terrible 2013.

Kris Bryant is the top power prospect in the minors and probably baseball. He's going to stick at 3B, but could be a plus RF, too, if needed.

Javier Baez is a ridiculous SS prospect with 40 HR power potential.

Jorge Soler is another crazy power prospect who signed a huge deal out of Cuba.

Addison Russell is a do-it-all SS with power and could be ready for the majors as soon as next season. Plug glove, plus hit, plus run, plus power.

Throw in that Kyle Schwarber has been absolutely demolishing the baseball since being drafted, and it just keeps getting better. Schwarber is going to make it to A+ ball and maybe even AA before the year is over. He has a 1.200 OPS (yes, you read that right) in a very small sample size at A ball, but honestly I don't know what else he has to prove there.

In Bryant, Baez, Russell, and Schwarber, the A's have FOUR position players who will likely rank in the top 15 of baseball prospects, consensus. And they're all going to arrive in the next two years.

That's not even mentioning the several excellent complementary pieces (2B Arismendy Alcantara, who has a .900 OPS at AAA right now, with a SLG around .550; CF Albert Amora, a toolsy young CF who will be a top 75 prospect; CJ Edwards, who got off to a great start in AA this year; Billy McKinney, also acquired in this deal, who put up a .964 OPS in full-season ball at age 18 last year).

Epstein is doing some pretty impressive things there on the North Side. Watch this offseason... he will move Castro for some pitching (young, long-term controlled offensive SS on team friendly-deal) and set up what could be a real dynasty.

At least by next season, we'll no longer be hearing about the Royals and "best farm system ever" ... don't see any way that's not chalked up as the Cubs.

I've always rooted for the Cubs. They're like the Royals in a lot of ways, and for the wrong reasons. I hope they have long-term success.

KChiefs1 07-05-2014 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10731323)
A's putting their cards on the table and going all in. Really, really good team that just got a little bit better.

The Cubs' collection of young position talent is insane-ridiculous-whatever you want to call it.

First of all, they have an established young, power-hitting 1B in Anthony Rizzo (who is just 24) and an established, young SS in Starlin Castro who has bounced back in a big way from a terrible 2013.

Kris Bryant is the top power prospect in the minors and probably baseball. He's going to stick at 3B, but could be a plus RF, too, if needed.

Javier Baez is a ridiculous SS prospect with 40 HR power potential.

Jorge Soler is another crazy power prospect who signed a huge deal out of Cuba.

Addison Russell is a do-it-all SS with power and could be ready for the majors as soon as next season. Plug glove, plus hit, plus run, plus power.

Throw in that Kyle Schwarber has been absolutely demolishing the baseball since being drafted, and it just keeps getting better. Schwarber is going to make it to A+ ball and maybe even AA before the year is over. He has a 1.200 OPS (yes, you read that right) in a very small sample size at A ball, but honestly I don't know what else he has to prove there.

In Bryant, Baez, Russell, and Schwarber, the A's have FOUR position players who will likely rank in the top 15 of baseball prospects, consensus. And they're all going to arrive in the next two years.

That's not even mentioning the several excellent complementary pieces (2B Arismendy Alcantara, who has a .900 OPS at AAA right now, with a SLG around .550; CF Albert Amora, a toolsy young CF who will be a top 75 prospect; CJ Edwards, who got off to a great start in AA this year; Billy McKinney, also acquired in this deal, who put up a .964 OPS in full-season ball at age 18 last year).

Epstein is doing some pretty impressive things there on the North Side. Watch this offseason... he will move Castro for some pitching (young, long-term controlled offensive SS on team friendly-deal) and set up what could be a real dynasty.

At least by next season, we'll no longer be hearing about the Royals and "best farm system ever" ... don't see any way that's not chalked up as the Cubs.


I'll be interested to see how it all works out for them...after all they are the Cubs.

KChiefs1 07-05-2014 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Smoke (Post 10730871)
Someone starting a game thread? I hope Colon plays well.

I'd give him an A+

New World Order 07-05-2014 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S (Post 10731344)
Ventura's pitching delivery is just so smooth. He makes throwing triple digits look like cake.


Agreed. He looked like a much older Roger Clemens tonight

Mama Hip Rockets 07-05-2014 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10731293)
Ok I'll retract my comment here: Even Ned couldn't possibly bypass Ventura in a wild card game. It's not possible. He couldn't possibly justify any other decision to his team. They'd revolt if Ventura wasn't the choice. He's a freak.

I don't know. Duffy has been dominant this year too. I would not revolt if Duffy was on the mound in a Wild Card game.

Archie F. Swin 07-05-2014 07:51 AM

(((raises hand))) how's about my first game thread of the 2014 season?

cabletech94 07-05-2014 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Archie F. Swin (Post 10731477)
(((raises hand))) how's about my first game thread of the 2014 season?

i have no pull in this, but do it!!!!


goooooooooooo royals (and moose)!!!!!! ;)


/ben stiller gif

WhawhaWhat 07-05-2014 09:18 AM

Cubs Trade Jeff Samardzija And Jason Hammel To Best Team In Baseball

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The Cubs and Athletics have reportedly worked out a deal that would send Samardzija and fellow starter Jason Hammel to the A's for three prospects: shortstop Addison Russell, pitcher Dan Straily, and outfielder Billy McKinney. Russell and McKinney are the centerpieces for the Cubs. They were the top two rated prospects in the Oakland system and Russell is considered one of the best prospects in all baseball. Baseball America had him ranked 14th overall and Keith Law ranked him third overall in his Top 100. McKinney was Oakland's top pick in the most recent draft, taken 24th overall.

DJJasonp 07-05-2014 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 10731524)

just saw this - ouch.

but good that it's a division leader, and not a wild-card candidate (and not in the central division).

Bowser 07-05-2014 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 10731337)
We did trade one of the best prospects in baseball for two years of a starting pitcher. To be fair the Royals have probably "went for it" as much as any team in baseball these last two years, it just didn't happen during the season.

I was referring to this season (and our lack of tradable talent to bring in a piece to help them this season), but your point is still valid.

BigCatDaddy 07-05-2014 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 10731456)
I don't know. Duffy has been dominant this year too. I would not revolt if Duffy was on the mound in a Wild Card game.

He seems to unstable. I'd worry about him imploding in a big game where Ventura seems like the higher floor in a big game.

TLO 07-05-2014 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 10731596)
He seems to unstable. I'd worry about him imploding in a big game where Ventura seems like the higher floor in a big game.

As of right now, I'd go;

Vargas
Ventura
Duffy
Shields
Guthrie

BigCatDaddy 07-05-2014 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Smoke (Post 10731599)
As of right now, I'd go;

Vargas
Ventura
Duffy
Shields
Guthrie

Maybe. Just a lot of factors to consider including who you are playing, who the other team is throwing, where the game is at, the weather conditions... Etc I doubt you want Vargas in LA or Baltimore.

duncan_idaho 07-05-2014 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 10731578)
I was referring to this season (and our lack of tradable talent to bring in a piece to help them this season), but your point is still valid.

The Royals have more than enough talent to make a smaller move... not David Price or Jeff Samardzija, maybe, but a RF bat who can help? definitely.

ChiefsCountry 07-05-2014 10:52 AM

Reason the game is on MLB.tv is because FOX has a national window that allows them the right to be the only broadcast in that time slot.

Prison Bitch 07-05-2014 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Smoke (Post 10731599)
As of right now, I'd go;

Vargas
Ventura
Duffy
Shields
Guthrie

:doh!:

Prison Bitch 07-05-2014 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10731607)
The Royals have more than enough talent to make a smaller move... not David Price or Jeff Samardzija, maybe, but a RF bat who can help? definitely.

We just got one.

Archie F. Swin 07-05-2014 11:27 AM

Check out @SportsDayDFW's Tweet: https://twitter.com/SportsDayDFW/sta...71271602622464

Sure-Oz 07-05-2014 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Archie F. Swin (Post 10731657)

Royals need to make a move soon to get RF or 3B help....to stay within a few games

Bowser 07-05-2014 12:06 PM

Heh. Five years ago Soria and Nathan on the same team would have been deadly. Tigers trying to counter our Wade Davis/Greag Holland setup?

Three7s 07-05-2014 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 10731674)
Royals need to make a move soon to get RF or 3B help....to stay within a few games

Marlon Byrd anyone?

Pitt Gorilla 07-05-2014 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 10731692)
Heh. Five years ago Soria and Nathan on the same team would have been deadly. Tigers trying to counter our Wade Davis/Greag Holland setup?

We gave up Soria for literally nothing.

BWillie 07-05-2014 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 10731359)
I've always rooted for the Cubs. They're like the Royals in a lot of ways, and for the wrong reasons. I hope they have long-term success.

I went to school in Iowa City. Tons of Cubs fans. I hope they all go to hell. Terrible human beings

Sure-Oz 07-05-2014 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 10731716)
Marlon Byrd anyone?

They should

Great Expectations 07-05-2014 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 10731692)
Heh. Five years ago Soria and Nathan on the same team would have been deadly. Tigers trying to counter our Wade Davis/Greag Holland setup?

Soria with anyone is a great combo. Dude came back strong from his second tommy john.

Prison Bitch 07-05-2014 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 10731809)
They should

If you want to get worse, by all means replace Jarrod Dyson (2.3 WAR) with Byrd (0.8 WAR).

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...50&position=OF

KChiefs1 07-05-2014 04:02 PM

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/j...-royals-070414

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msn.foxsports.com
Royals need Big Game James to get back on track

Jeff Sullivan

FanGraphs

JUL 04, 2014 10:30a ET

In his last nine starts, James Shields is 3-1, but with a 5.43 ERA and batters are hitting .323 against him.

If the Royals make the playoffs, would it justify the controversial James Shields trade from a couple offseasons ago?

In December 2012, Kansas City gave up top prospect Wil Myers in a seven-player trade with Tampa Bay to acquire Shields. Others in the deal were Wade Davis and a player to be named later, eventually Elliot Johnson, to the Royals, while the Rays added Jake Odorizzi and minor leaguers Patrick Leonard and Mike Montgomery.

It's too complicated for a simple answer, which might mean the answer is no. There's a lot to take into consideration. But it has to be noted that, while the Royals are hanging out around the fringes of the race, right now Shields isn't even really helping them. If the idea was to bolster the rotation by adding a bona fide ace, then the Shields trade is more of a failure.

Tuesday night against the Twins, Shields allowed five runs — four earned — in five innings. Everyone's allowed the occasional stinker. In May, Dodgers ace Clayton Kershaw gave up seven runs to the Diamondbacks. In April, the M’s Felix Hernandez allowed 11 hits to the A's without one single whiff. Heck, last September, Shields gave up 10 runs to the Tigers and couldn't get out of the fourth.

It's only worth worrying about trends, but now Shields has put together a trend. He's not coming off an isolated stinker. Over his last nine starts, he's allowed fewer than three runs just once. The 32-year-old right-hander coughed up a .323 batting average with a 5.43 ERA.

A season that started well for Shields has taken a dreadful turn. His Wins Above Replacement (WAR), based on actual runs allowed, is 0.7. That puts him in the company of talents like Washington’s Stephen Strasburg and Cincinnati’s Homer Bailey, but that's little consolation, given their issues.


Though Shields has allowed 51 earned runs, he's also allowed a dozen unearned runs, meaning he's averaged 4.86 runs per nine innings. Of the 140-plus starters who've thrown at least 50 innings, Shields ranks 110th in that stat. While the Royals remain very much alive beyond the halfway point, there's very real concern that the staff workhorse is breaking down.

For Shields, this is bad timing in two ways.

First, obviously, is that his team is counting on him to be the ace of the rotation, and he's not pulling his weight. The Royals aren't a team that can afford having their good players underperform, and if Shields doesn't turn things around, they'll likely again fall short of the playoffs.

Second is a bigger-picture matter as Shields is due to become a free agent after the year. Certainly, Shields is far more focused on the task at hand, but he's months away from the open market, and he's something of a mess. No longer is a nine-figure contract a sure thing. Barring a much-improved second half that erases all worry, Shields will be a guy off an up-and-down year who turns 33 in December. His past durability could make people wonder about his future durability.

So what's the matter? Is it an injury? If it is, that doesn't show up in Shields' velocity. It doesn't show up in his movement, and Shields denies that he's in any kind of pain.

Is it just statistical noise? This possibility can’t be dismissed, because there's a lot more random noise than people would like to think, but given that Shields' strikeouts have dropped somewhat considerably, and given that he appears to be laboring, this doesn't seem like nothing. The likely culprit is inconsistent mechanics, but that's not very helpful, because basically all pitching problems come out of inconsistent mechanics.

Some have claimed that Shields is over-throwing. Some feel like he's over-striding. It's been asserted his head is off balance. Shields is trying to get smoother in the bullpen.

FanGraphs can't fix Shields' mechanics, but FG can get an idea of where he's really struggling the most.

FG keeps track of run values by pitch type, and though the numbers need to be used carefully, in theory FG ends up with a ranking of quality and performance. A good pitch — Ex: Kershaw's slider — will have a high run value, because it does a lot more good than bad. Pitches that get strikeouts and don't yield many hits? Those get high run values.

Shields' bread and butter for a while has been an outstanding changeup he's thrown to both righties and lefties. It's long been believed that Shields is in possession of one of the best changeups in baseball. Between 2011-13, by run value, Shields' changeup ranked third among changeups thrown by qualified pitchers. He used it a lot, and it did him a lot of good. The only pitchers with higher-ranking changeups were Philadelphia’s Cole Hamels and Seattle’s Hernandez. Reasonable enough.

Fast-forward to 2014.

Shields' other pitches are in the vicinity of normal. Most of his run values look OK. But the number for his changeup is eye-popping. By run value, among qualified starting pitchers, Shields' changeup ranks last. By at least one measure, Shields has had the least effective changeup in the majors, in terms of both results and frequency.

Shields, in turn, has reduced his changeup usage, throwing more cutters, but that's just compensatory, and it isn't good news when a pitcher has to throw less of his most highly-complimented pitch. Shields with a worse changeup is a worse pitcher.

The answer is somewhere in his mechanics. He still throws good changeups; he just throws them less consistently. Too many of them have been flat, as Shields has searched for a consistent release point. If Shields' changeup had been just OK, maybe this would be easier to dismiss as nothing. But it's significant to fall from the top of a table to the bottom. This is James Shields without his best weapon.

It’s safe to assume Shields will get at least a little better. He should come out of this to a large extent, and as bad as this stretch has been, in his first nine starts he had a 2.54 ERA with 56 strikeouts and just 12 walks. This stretch can’t be ignored. Unless he’s hiding an injury, there’s no reason Shields shouldn’t bounce back from his recent nine-game slump and be effective, if less effective than desired. It’s doubtful he's going to keep pushing five runs allowed per nine innings.

But there's a bigger trend at play, independent of the actual runs scoring. It started a year ago. A useful metric is strikeout rate minus walk rate — think of it as an improvement on strikeout-to-walk ratio. In this chart, observe Shields compared to the American League starting pitcher league average:

Shields remains better than average, but he's the least better than average that he's ever been, and there's a big dip between 2012-13. At Shields' peak, he was better than the average by about 6 or 7 percentage points. Now he's around 2 percentage points, which means even if Shields picks it up down the stretch, there's still very good reason to believe he's in decline.

It's not a 2014 thing; it's a 2013 thing that's carried over because declines generally don't just stop. As Shields loses his ability to put batters away, he'll be more prone to giving up long hits, and he's never been all that much for home run suppression. Fewer strikeouts mean more balls in play. Balls in play aren't Shields' friend. Especially when they go over the fence and aren't balls in play anymore.

Right now, James Shields is a pitcher without his best pitch. Because of his track record, he still has to be given the benefit of the doubt. He's had slumps before, but the Royals need for this to turn around in a hurry.

Even if it does turn around, the 2013 version of James Shields was a version missing some strikeouts, suggesting that the ability level has begun to sink. While teams will recognize Shields for what he's done when he's a free agent, those same teams can analyze numbers, even should Shields have a better second half.

The more distant concern is Shields' payday. The more pressing concern is Shields' delivery. FG believes a man they call Big Game James is no stranger to pressure.


KChiefs1 07-05-2014 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 10731578)
I was referring to this season (and our lack of tradable talent to bring in a piece to help them this season), but your point is still valid.

www.mlbtraderumors.com

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Reactions To A’s-Cubs Trade

By Zach Links [July 5, 2014 at 5:00pm CDT]
For weeks now, the baseball world has been waiting for the Cubs to line up trades for Jeff Samardzija and Jason Hammel. Last night, Theo Epstein & Co. killed two birds with one stone and packaged both together in a deal with the A’s. In return for two of the most talked about pitchers on the trade block, the Cubs received top prospect Addison Russell, outfield prospect Billy McKinney, and pitcher Dan Straily. Here’s a look at some of the reactions to the blockbuster deal.

MLBTR’s Tim Dierkes (on Twitter) says the Cubs are taking an interesting approach by stockpiling top position player prospects and putting off acquiring pitching. Dierkes can see Straily providing Travis Wood-like value for the Cubs since teams teams pay big money for innings from a No. 4 type (link). Meanwhile, the deal makes the rest of the trade season kind of anti-climactic for Cub fans after their two best trade chips were moved on the Fourth of July (link).
Before pulling the trigger on the deal with the Cubs, the A’s discussed a swap involving Russell with the Rays for David Price, writes Jeff Passan of Yahoo! Sports. However, nothing ever materialized on that front.
The Yankees exchanged proposals with the Cubs on both Samardzija and Hammel, but could not compete with Russell’s inclusion, tweets FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal.
In a separate tweet, Rosenthal reports the A’s will not flip Hammel as they will need him to win the AL West.
ESPN’s Keith Law writes in an Insider piece (subscription required) the A’s and Cubs both significantly impacted their franchise, albeit with different timelines in mind.
The early word is the Cubs are not looking to make any moves from their shortstop stockpile as the Mets have nothing brewing with Chicago and the Yankees have checked but to no avail, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post (Twitter links).
Moneyball isn’t about on-base percentage or any one statistic, it’s about exploiting what is over- or under-valued and prospects are over-valued at present, writes Sherman. However, he notes (link) Javier Baez and Russell are big guys who might not stay at shortstop, so Starlin Castro may still be the Cubs’ long-term guy.
The A’s may have made themselves the favorites for 2014, but the Cubs ultimately may have won the deal, writes CBSSports.com’s Jon Heyman. “He’s Barry Larkin with power,” one rival baseball executive said of Russell.
The loss of Russell, in particular, could end up haunting the A’s, whose current shortstop Jed Lowrie is a free agent after this season, but GM Billy Beane has never been afraid to take an unconventional route, writes Rosenthal.
Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle echoes Rosenthal and adds the trade may point towards an extension for Lowrie and this wouldn’t be a bad time to do it.
The trade demonstrates Beane’s burning desire to win now and now could be his only window for winning a World Series, according to MLB.com’s Jane Lee.
Peter Gammons of GammonsDaily.com calls this trade fascinating because of the guts it took to swing such a deal between two men (Epstein and Beane) who defy convention for the way the game of baseball changes.
The Cubs signed Hammel to a one-year, $6MM deal in late January and in July he has netted them one of the five best prospects in baseball, notes Passan (via Twitter).
Fangraphs’ Dave Cameron (via Twitter) is usually against trading great young talent, but likes the trade for the A’s since present wins have so much value to them right now. Of course, he likes the swap from the Cubs‘ perspective, too.
Mike Petriello of Fangraphs writes the trade is a win-win for both the A’s and Cubs, but the real winner could be the Rays, who just saw two of the top available pitchers dealt while only one contender benefited increasing the demand for Price.
Addison Russell (Twitter link) is excited to be joining forces with Kris Bryant.
Billy McKinney called the A’s an “amazing and classy organization” and is “excited to start and (sic) new chapter in the Cubs organization” (Twitter links).
Dan Straily also tweeted his appreciation of the A’s organization, but is looking forward to beginning the next chapter of his career with the Cubs (Twitter links).

Edward Creech contributed to this post.


duncan_idaho 07-05-2014 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10731921)
If you want to get worse, by all means replace Jarrod Dyson (2.3 WAR) with Byrd (0.8 WAR).

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...50&position=OF

Fangraphs hates Marlon Byrd for some reason, but Baseball Reference has him as a 1.8 WAR guy, and I trust their WAR formula more than Fangraphs.

Dyson has provided a lot of value with his defense and baserunning, but at the end of the day remains a guy who can't play everyday because of his struggles against LHP and who is more likely to regress to his mean offensively given extended time ( which is .260/.330/.340). If he could post a .700 OPS with his defense and baserunning as an everyday player, that probably plays up. But just like last year, I'd expect his offensive numbers to come down given more at-bats (and more towards his career averages).

For a team that desperately needs more offense, especially RH hitters AND power, Byrd would be a very nice fit at a very affordable cost (both in prospects and salary.) Dyson is proving to be a very reliable No. 4 OF, but he's not a guy you want to start for a winning team (especially since Cain is not going to give you the power out of RF that you really want).

It's a good move for next season, too, when Byrd would provide a very affordable option who can be swung between RF, LF and DH.

CaliforniaChief 07-05-2014 04:37 PM

Byrd makes sense for another reason: The INEVITABLE next injury to Lorenzo Cain.

KChiefs1 07-05-2014 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 10731524)

Detroit Arrogance?

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Verlander: A's made Cubs deal with Tigers in mind

By Jason Beck and Matt Slovin / MLB.com

DETROIT -- The Oakland Athletics left town on Wednesday having been swept out of Comerica Park. The Tigers were busy with the Rays when the A's made their move for Jeff Samardzija and Jason Hammel, acquiring the pitchers in a deal with the Cubs.

When Justin Verlander heard about the trade later Friday night, he felt the target on their backs. It wasn't so much about this week, but the last two Octobers.

"I found it very interesting," Verlander said Saturday. "Really, when I saw that trade, I thought that they made that trade for us. No doubt about it in my mind. If they want to win a World Series, they're envisioning that they have to go through us, and even though it's been two fantastic series, it's been heartbreaking for them the last two years."

The Tigers and A's have met in the American League Division Series the last two years, with both series going to a winner-take-all Game 5. Both times, Verlander broke Bay Area hearts with dominant performances -- a complete-game four-hitter with 11 strikeouts in 2012, then eight shutout innings with 10 strikeouts last year. Neither A's counterpart -- Jarrod Parker two years ago, then rookie Sonny Gray last year -- delivered a quality start in return.

Oakland has scored one run on Verlander in 31 postseason innings the last two years. With Max Scherzer and Anibal Sanchez, Verlander said, they have others capable of doing the same.

Regardless of the matchups, Verlander said, it's the concept.

"When you have a team like ours, somebody's going to go out there and dominate," Verlander said. "And it just happens the last couple years [against Oakland in Game 5], it's been me. And I think they felt like they needed that person. Star power in the playoffs goes a long way. Power pitching in the playoffs goes a long way."

If the regular season ended today, the Tigers and A's would have to advance to the AL Championship Series to meet again. Oakland owns baseball's best record, and would meet the Wild Card winner in a Division Series, while the Tigers would match up with the winner of the AL East, a race the Orioles now lead after the A's beat the Blue Jays on Friday night.

While the A's have won the AL West the last two years despite roster turnover, and reached the postseason seven times since 2000, their lone playoff series win came in '06. They swept the Twins in the Division Series that year, only to lose to the Tigers in the ALCS.

"I think a lot of factors had to do with why they did it," Verlander said later. "Obviously October's the main one, not necessarily us but October in general."

That said, the Tigers have won the AL Central each of the last three seasons, and have reached the postseason four times since 2006. Each time, they've won at least one series, reaching the World Series twice. Each year, their strength has been dominant starting pitching, the kind the A's just added.

duncan_idaho 07-05-2014 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 10731990)
Byrd makes sense for another reason: The INEVITABLE next injury to Lorenzo Cain.

Fair point. It also would allow them to aggressively shop Butler right now. His value is at an all-time low, but a team that could use a little more RH pop (like, say, the Mariners), might find a use for Butler.

Three7s 07-05-2014 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10731921)
If you want to get worse, by all means replace Jarrod Dyson (2.3 WAR) with Byrd (0.8 WAR).

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...50&position=OF

Byrd has a good average and has power. Isn't that what everyone wants?

Prison Bitch 07-05-2014 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10731978)
Fangraphs hates Marlon Byrd for some reason, but Baseball Reference has him as a 1.8 WAR guy,

Fine, they have Dyson at 2.4. Still much higher than Byrd given how there's another half of baseball to play.

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and I trust their WAR formula more than Fangraphs.
I have no earthly idea why you keep saying that. Because of Jeremy Guthrie? Every serious mathematician focuses on repeatable experiements and datasets that hold trends. What should have happened is far more telling than what actually did. Focusing on outliers is seriously ancient thinking.


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Dyson has provided a lot of value with his defense and baserunning, but at the end of the day remains a guy who can't play everyday because of his struggles against LHP and who is more likely to regress to his mean offensively given extended time ( which is .260/.330/.340). If he could post a .700 OPS with his defense and baserunning as an everyday player, that probably plays up. But just like last year, I'd expect his offensive numbers to come down given more at-bats (and more towards his career averages).
You should apply this logic to Gordon then, since he's hit the shitter offensively. 2-41 slump? As you say, you can stop runs or create them. Hopefully both. Dyson stops them - Byrd creates them. A wash.


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For a team that desperately needs more offense, especially RH hitters AND power, Byrd would be a very nice fit at a very affordable cost (both in prospects and salary.) Dyson is proving to be a very reliable No. 4 OF, but he's not a guy you want to start for a winning team (especially since Cain is not going to give you the power out of RF that you really want).

It's a good move for next season, too, when Byrd would provide a very affordable option who can be swung between RF, LF and DH.

Here's the meat of the argument: creating value by replacing X player. And that X is clearly Fat-Ass at DH. Get rid of Dyson and you gain nothing. Get rid of Fat-Ass, and you probably pick up 2 wins. Is that enough? It might be.

Prison Bitch 07-05-2014 07:57 PM

I had the radio on and just heard how it ended. Faux-Hawk has bases loaded down 7-3 and the f-ing POS swings first pitch and GIDP to end it. I cannot imagine how his teammates continue to put up with his atrocious play but worse, his atrocious stupidity about game situations.


He's probably the biggest disappointment I've ever seen come through KC. Because he legitimately has talent. He's just too stupid or too arrogant to use it.

Three7s 07-05-2014 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10732230)
I had the radio on and just heard how it ended. Faux-Hawk has bases loaded down 7-3 and the f-ing POS swings first pitch and GIDP to end it. I cannot imagine how his teammates continue to put up with his atrocious play but worse, his atrocious stupidity about game situations.


He's probably the biggest disappointment I've ever seen come through KC. Because he legitimately has talent. He's just too stupid or too arrogant to use it.

He has no plan at the plate. He's like Gordon during his first couple of years.

He just goes up there swinging and expects the ball to be hit to the moon.

New World Order 07-05-2014 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10732230)
I had the radio on and just heard how it ended. Faux-Hawk has bases loaded down 7-3 and the f-ing POS swings first pitch and GIDP to end it. I cannot imagine how his teammates continue to put up with his atrocious play but worse, his atrocious stupidity about game situations.


He's probably the biggest disappointment I've ever seen come through KC. Because he legitimately has talent. He's just too stupid or too arrogant to use it.


He sucks

Prison Bitch 07-05-2014 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 10732235)
He has no plan at the plate. He's like Gordon during his first couple of years.

He just goes up there swinging and expects the ball to be hit to the moon.

That's what's so amazing: he hasn't hit the ball to the moon all year. Why would he still be under the delusion he can do it on a given at-bat?

Don Corlemahomes 07-05-2014 11:38 PM

Javier Baez or Starlin Castro for Duffy, straight up.

Prison Bitch 07-06-2014 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Cunning Linguist (Post 10732390)
Javier Baez or Starlin Castro for Duffy, straight up.

You want a SS? What the hell for?

Al Bundy 07-06-2014 08:57 AM

David Price being traded for Joey Votto? Not Royals related... but still.

lewdog 07-06-2014 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 10732545)
David Price being traded for Joey Votto? Not Royals related... but still.

Whoa, really?!

Archie F. Swin 07-06-2014 09:05 AM

Butler just seems to be a different player altogether. Even when he wasn't hitting for power last season, his plate discipline was still there. He would get walks. Today, he takes 2nd and 3rd strikes, swings at balls....just a disaster.

Al Bundy 07-06-2014 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 10732546)
Whoa, really?!

Well maybe not afterall.

TLO 07-06-2014 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 10732545)
David Price being traded for Joey Votto? Not Royals related... but still.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 10732566)
Well maybe not afterall.

:doh!:

Chiefs Pantalones 07-06-2014 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Archie F. Swin (Post 10732554)
Butler just seems to be a different player altogether. Even when he wasn't hitting for power last season, his plate discipline was still there. He would get walks. Today, he takes 2nd and 3rd strikes, swings at balls....just a disaster.

All in a contract year. He must be in a food coma and no signs of coming out.

Bowser 07-06-2014 09:51 AM

Butler and Gordon both getting a day off today. Ibanez hitting cleanup??

C3HIEF3S 07-06-2014 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Cunning Linguist (Post 10732390)
Javier Baez or Starlin Castro for Duffy, straight up.

Hell no. We don't even need a SS. If we're going to make a trade we better be getting rid of our prospects for immediate impact.

C3HIEF3S 07-06-2014 10:23 AM

1. Lorenzo Cain (R) RF
2. Eric Hosmer (L) 1B
3. Salvador Perez (R) C
4. Raul Ibanez (L) LF
5. Danny Valencia (R) DH
6. Mike Moustakas (L) 3B
7. Alcides Escobar (R) SS
8. Jarrod Dyson (L) CF
9. Christian Colon (R) 2B

kstater 07-06-2014 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 10732591)
Butler and Gordon both getting a day off today. Ibanez hitting cleanup??

Both have been terrible historically against Kluber

Bowser 07-06-2014 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by kstater (Post 10732630)
Both have been terrible historically against Kluber

Good point. Although I think pretty much the whole team has been terrible against Kluber.

Prison Bitch 07-06-2014 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 10732566)
Well maybe not afterall.

The bullshit meter should've gone off at the thought of Tampa taking on a ten year deal worth over 100m

Sure-Oz 07-06-2014 10:38 AM

Ibanez batting cleanup. A 42 year old dfa is hitting cleanup... This is a joke

Sure-Oz 07-06-2014 10:39 AM

Also **** Eric Hosmer

Sure-Oz 07-06-2014 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by kstater (Post 10732630)
Both have been terrible historically against Kluber

You don't bench your best hitters anyway

Deberg_1990 07-06-2014 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 10732642)
Ibanez batting cleanup. A 42 year old dfa is hitting cleanup... This is a joke

As long as he produces, I don't care if he's 68.

Al Bundy 07-06-2014 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 10732646)
You don't bench your best hitters anyway

Butler has been absolutely horrendous with ZERO pop. Most other teams he would have been DFA'd by now, some Royals fans seem to forget 2012 was a while ago.

lewdog 07-06-2014 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S (Post 10732620)
1. Lorenzo Cain (R) RF
2. Eric Hosmer (L) 1B
3. Salvador Perez (R) C
4. Raul Ibanez (L) LF
5. Danny Valencia (R) DH
6. Mike Moustakas (L) 3B
7. Alcides Escobar (R) SS
8. Jarrod Dyson (L) CF
9. Christian Colon (R) 2B

Woof on that lineup.

Al Bundy 07-06-2014 11:05 AM

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Ceej 07-06-2014 11:08 AM

That would be a lethal, slow pitch softball beer league lineup.

Deberg_1990 07-06-2014 11:23 AM

No game thread today? Wut?

teedubya 07-06-2014 11:33 AM

Really? 3-0 already?

Bowser 07-06-2014 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by teedubya (Post 10732701)
Really? 3-0 already?

Doofy has his cock high fastball working today.

petegz28 07-06-2014 11:36 AM

Duffy getting clowned

Don Corlemahomes 07-06-2014 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10732477)
You want a SS? What the hell for?

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Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S (Post 10732616)
Hell no. We don't even need a SS. If we're going to make a trade we better be getting rid of our prospects for immediate impact.

The transition from SS to 3b is an easy one, and both of their bats would play. The Cubs have a surplus of SS prospects, and Theo's reasoning is athletic guys can make the transition to almost any other position.

Prison Bitch 07-06-2014 12:13 PM

Moose has a good glove at 3B and that's allowed him to be about replacement level. For league minimum that's ok for us, and he won't get very pricey since he can't hit. I'd rather have Duffy and Moose than Castro which is essentially the trade. We're not in a position to be trading SP anyway with Shields leaving and Guthrie on his last legs

C3HIEF3S 07-06-2014 01:56 PM

Shields vs Odorizzi tomorrow, should be interesting.


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