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warpaint* 05-16-2025 04:12 AM
Ya from where it was Caleb is more likable to me after reading that. He gave the Bears a fair shake.

His father OTOH comes off as an asshole.

fuzzy 05-16-2025 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by warpaint* (Post 18065431)
Ya from where it was Caleb is more likable to me after reading that. He gave the Bears a fair shake.

His father OTOH comes off as an asshole.
Caleb Williams was drafted at the age of 22. Sometimes I have to remind myself how young NFL players (especially rookies) actually are. At 22 you are barely an adult. You have no experience in the adult world yet. That's why it's best to hire an agent at that age and surround yourself with older and wiser mentors so that you can do your job and play football without distractions. Sometimes these fathers really take advantage of their sons. They end up doing way more harm than good. Some of these fathers see big green money signs as their kids start to get draft hype. A lot of the weird stuff coming from Caleb's camp about how he was difficult to work with and was making odd contractual demands is 100 percent coming from the father. The guy is basically just a kid.

RedinTexas 05-16-2025 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by fuzzy (Post 18065433)
Caleb Williams was drafted at the age of 22. Sometimes I have to remind myself how young NFL players (especially rookies) actually are. At 22 you are barely an adult. You have no experience in the adult world yet. That's why it's best to hire an agent at that age and surround yourself with older and wiser mentors so that you can do your job and play football without distractions. Sometimes these fathers really take advantage of their sons. They end up doing way more harm than good. Some of these fathers see big green money signs as their kids start to get draft hype. A lot of the weird stuff coming from Caleb's camp about how he was difficult to work with and was making odd contractual demands is 100 percent coming from the father. The guy is basically just a kid.
It depends on the father. I'd bet that most fathers have their son's best interests at heart.

As far as "older and wiser mentors," I'd say that it is equally important to listen to what those people have to say. It's more difficult for a 22 year old to do than it sounds. It means that there will be times when everything inside of you is telling you to do something a particular way while your mentor is telling you to do the opposite. It's not so easy to accept, and especially when you're just 22 years old.

tredadda 05-16-2025 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 18065268)
Who did Justin Herbert have to babysit him in his rookie season? :evil:
Does that make it right?

DJay23 05-16-2025 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by fuzzy (Post 18065433)
Caleb Williams was drafted at the age of 22. Sometimes I have to remind myself how young NFL players (especially rookies) actually are. At 22 you are barely an adult. You have no experience in the adult world yet. That's why it's best to hire an agent at that age and surround yourself with older and wiser mentors so that you can do your job and play football without distractions. Sometimes these fathers really take advantage of their sons. They end up doing way more harm than good. Some of these fathers see big green money signs as their kids start to get draft hype. A lot of the weird stuff coming from Caleb's camp about how he was difficult to work with and was making odd contractual demands is 100 percent coming from the father. The guy is basically just a kid.
Doesn't the story about Gronk go that his dad managed all of his finances and basically put him on an allowance, because he knew his dumb-dumb son would blow it all? That's the kind of influence most of these guys need.

Chiefnj2 05-16-2025 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 18064954)
The GM and owner who hired them are still there, there is nothing to be gained by trashing the organization you play for.

Dude hasn't accomplished shit, why is he even writing a book?
Caleb isn't writing a book. Some guy Wickersham is writing a book on QB's. Part of the book includes Caleb's dads view of the draft. Based on the article it looks like Williams' dad is the source of everything, not Caleb.

People are crucifying this kid based on his dad being an attention hungry half-wit.

Kiimo 05-16-2025 09:37 AM
This is hilarious because every Bears fan I know and there are many are like "can't blame him"

This was designed to infuriate the fanbase but you don't think Bears fans understand the desire to avoid that place?

Everyone is hoping Caleb can get 4k yards so they don't have to hear that ridiculous stat anymore. That's it. Every one of their fans are damaged goods, this fake uproar is nonsense.

Rainbarrel 05-16-2025 09:39 AM
Tight Ends stingy with money is as common as Chicago Bear QB failures

tredadda 05-16-2025 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 18065538)
Caleb isn't writing a book. Some guy Wickersham is writing a book on QB's. Part of the book includes Caleb's dads view of the draft. Based on the article it looks like Williams' dad is the source of everything, not Caleb.

People are crucifying this kid based on his dad being an attention hungry half-wit.
It screams LeVar Ball.

BEAVER 05-16-2025 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 18065266)
Shake your pom-poms for another qb if you wish buddy. Jaylen Daniels clearly DID his study work. But no doubt you'll role out more feeble excuses because how could the "generational" Caleb Willians NOT be great right? o:-)
You really should go back to pimping Angel Reese. That was much more entertaining.

MarkDavis'Haircut 05-16-2025 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 18065133)
Which is why Crosby and Bowers need to come someplace like KC.
You will have to try better than that! :p

MarkDavis'Haircut 05-16-2025 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18064960)
The Bears have been a franchise for over 100 years and still have not had a QB throw for 4K yards.

I can’t blame this kid at all. Your success is tied to where you go. Mahomes is not maximized to what he has been without Andy Reid and his staff. You shouldn’t be forced to play for a dumpster fire franchise that you know won’t help you at all. Eli Manning is the best example of utilizing their power to avoid it and it was absolutely the right choice.

The Bears last coach was so godawful that the entire offense had no idea how on run a hurry up in Detroit. They fired their terrible OC bc he was not doing anything to help their rookie QB.

I do think things are looking up bc Ben Johnson is very innovative and appears to have already done things the right way. Bolstered that awful OL with proven vets and drafted really good playmakers on offense.

Caleb is in a great spot now. If he fails it’s all on him
The franchise hasn't had an elite quarterback since Sid Luckman in the 1940s.

More players are failed than fail, IMO. I have seen the Raiders derail plenty of promising careers with a carousel of coaching and GMs.

MarkDavis'Haircut 05-16-2025 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by FloridaMan88 (Post 18064969)
And he is the only rookie QB to have a difficult first season with a shitty coaching staff?

How many other QB’s went crying to a reporter like this, like a bitch?

Also I am sure the NFLPA and the league will enjoy reading that his father thinks the current CBA is a “piece of shit” that is the “worst in sports history”.

A CBA that has helped power the NFL into a $10+ billion/year entity.
The NFL Draft makes for great entertainment and fodder.

As a player, I would hate it. Being able to pick the best landing spot ensures a better chance at a second contract. Where the big money is made.

I know why it exists (Bert Bell was such a terrible owner that he needed an excuse) and why it continues (money) but it does handicap careers.

In58men 05-16-2025 11:26 AM
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Megatron96 05-16-2025 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 18065262)
Rookie QBs learning a new offensive system should not be expected to study on their own. How an OC neglected that with his Franchise QB is mind boggling.


Not like it hasn't happened before, unfortunately. Classic example would be Adam Gase saying in a post-game presser that he didn't make any attempt to help Sam Darnold in his rookie year. A few years later, he's with MIN and KOC, and bam, he's playing like a top-5 QB, in spite of the fact that he's in a complex, new-to-him system.


And then there's Geno Smith as well. A story we've all become more familiar with in the last couple seasons.


Josh Allen was a virtual train wreck his first two seasons. Took those two season of Daboll literally screaming in his face for Josh to finally pull his head out of his ass in year 3.


Bryce Young was considered a lost cause until late last season.



Coaching matters for young QBs. Saying that coaching isn't a critical factor (maybe THE critical factor) in their development is dumb.


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