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Sure-Oz 06-30-2008 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 4821466)
To me, Guillen's just a hot headed loudmouth.

In the grand scheme of things, that's not so bad.

I just think we'd be a lot worse off without him.
The Mariners sure are and the guy really seems to be liked by his teammates, works for me.

petegz28 06-30-2008 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 4821466)
To me, Guillen's just a hot headed loudmouth.

In the grand scheme of things, that's not so bad.

I just think we'd be a lot worse off without him.
Yeah and maybe his ego is infalted a little more here rather than in Seattle but he has backed it up immensely and has been worth every dime we pay him so far. He had a bad throw tonight that would of shot a runner and he comes up huge in the clutch at the plate to redeem.

BWillie 06-30-2008 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 4821447)
Well, firstly, elite closers are not as hard to find as elite starters. The difference in value between and elite starter and an elite closer is astronomical. 2nd, Soria would not really be a reliever converted to a starter. Soria was a starter his whole career that we converted to a reliever.
Yep. My thoughts exactly. He's young too. I'd hate to waste 5 years of him closing when he could of been a dominant starter. I know you guys are liking the saves, and I do too, but MOST teams theres not a huge difference between a good closer and a great closer. There is a big difference however between Burgos and Soria. But Burgos takes being a piece of shit closer to a new level.

petegz28 06-30-2008 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 4821473)
The Mariners sure are and the guy really seems to be liked by his teammates, works for me.
The ownwer of the Mariners said his biggest off-season regret was not signing Guillen.

Sure-Oz 06-30-2008 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by BWillie007 (Post 4821486)
Yep. My thoughts exactly. He's young too. I'd hate to waste 5 years of him closing when he could of been a dominant starter. I know you guys are liking the saves, and I do too, but MOST teams theres not a huge difference between a good closer and a great closer. There is a big difference however between Burgos and Soria. But Burgos takes being a piece of shit closer to a new level.
I wouldn't mind the idea if someone else comes along honestly, but that won't happen for quite sometime and im just fine, and our starting staff may be better by then who knows.

alanm 06-30-2008 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by BWillie007 (Post 4821425)
Why limit a guy as good as Soria to 80 innings a year when he could pitch 210 inings? Let Ramirez or Mahay pitch. Good enough.
Because if the Royals are ahead in the 9th that's 80 wins. :thumb:
Leave him where he's at.

Sure-Oz 06-30-2008 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 4821488)
The ownwer of the Mariners said his biggest off-season regret was not signing Guillen.
Yeah the GM and the Manager probably would still have a job as well

KcMizzou 06-30-2008 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 4821488)
The ownwer of the Mariners said his biggest off-season regret was not signing Guillen.
Yeah, I heard that on one of the talk radio shows. Said right now, they're really missing him.

Hammock Parties 06-30-2008 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 4821483)
Yeah and maybe his ego is infalted a little more here rather than in Seattle but he has backed it up immensely and has been worth every dime we pay him so far. He had a bad throw tonight that would of shot a runner and he comes up huge in the clutch at the plate to redeem.
i'd agree with you on that. Just think, we could have had Andrew Jones( jesus ****ing christ im glad we didnt get that mother ****er) or Torii Hunter(eh, not sure how he's done, but nothing too spectacular) so Guillen was a good choice.

DeezNutz 06-30-2008 09:41 PM
The idea that closers who perform at an elite level over a consistent basis are easier to find than elite starters isn't really true. Over the last 10 years, who besides Rivera would be in this category? Guys like Lidge blip onto the radar for a minute or two, but I don't think Soria's a Lidge.

petegz28 06-30-2008 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BWillie007 (Post 4821486)
Yep. My thoughts exactly. He's young too. I'd hate to waste 5 years of him closing when he could of been a dominant starter. I know you guys are liking the saves, and I do too, but MOST teams theres not a huge difference between a good closer and a great closer. There is a big difference however between Burgos and Soria. But Burgos takes being a piece of shit closer to a new level.
Right now we have a good core of starters. We have to think in terms of what it takes to compete for a championship. And in today's game a closer like Soria is like Priest Holmes at the goal line. Just get him there and the game is over, he will take care of the rest. Even our 4 and 5 guys are decent and Hochevar will probably become more dominant as he progresses. Davies..well I wont say much but I am somewhat impressed so far.

We need some sticks as Avilles has shown us what 1 decent bat can do when it replaces an automatic out.

KcMizzou 06-30-2008 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by alanm (Post 4821499)
Because if the Royals are ahead in the 9th that's 80 wins. :thumb:
Leave him where he's at.
It's a pretty simple concept, really. If it aint broke...

Fish 06-30-2008 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 4821466)
To me, Guillen's just a hot headed loudmouth.

In the grand scheme of things, that's not so bad.

I just think we'd be a lot worse off without him.
Well said. That's how I see it as well.

Sure-Oz 06-30-2008 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 4821511)
The idea that closers who perform at an elite level over a consistent basis are easier to find than elite starters isn't really true. Over the last 10 years, whom besides Rivera would be in this category? Guys like Lidge blip onto the radar for a minute or two, but I don't think Soria's a Lidge.
Rivera and Soria are lights out, K rod and papelbon are pretty damn good as well, but i like Soria being a Rivera and i think he can be

Reaper16 06-30-2008 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 4821495)
I wouldn't mind the idea if someone else comes along honestly, but that won't happen for quite sometime and im just fine, and our starting staff may be better by then who knows.
I agree with this.


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