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'Hamas' Jenkins 11-09-2008 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 5206671)
If we finish 3-13 and draft 6th, there are some really bad football teams out there.

Given our SoS, it could happen.

Tribal Warfare 11-09-2008 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 5206677)
I think it would be a waste, it means you are basically giving up on Albert. We have a LT, you don't take another one in the top 5 when you can actually fill a need.



How is it a waste? when you can get your absolute best players (especially at OL ) on the field you do it, and Albert is an excellent utility guy with his background.

ChiefsCountry 11-09-2008 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5206680)
BPA is stupid unless it is fused with positional value.

Left tackle isn't? Its one of the 4 positions you take with a top 5 pick.

'Hamas' Jenkins 11-09-2008 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 5206685)
How is it a waste? when you can get your absolute best players (especially at OL ) on the field you do it, and Albert is an excellent utilty guy with his background.

Because you are making a top 15 pick who shows an ability to play LT at a pro bowl level a guard.

Tribal Warfare 11-09-2008 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5206689)
Because you are making a top 15 pick who shows an ability to play LT at a pro bowl level a guard.

If one can secure the linwe like at QB, you pull the trigger. One can't have enough badass OL

'Hamas' Jenkins 11-09-2008 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5206687)
Left tackle isn't? Its one of the 4 positions you take with a top 5 pick.

Positional value isn't just the value of the position. It's the value of the position relative to your team. The Chiefs don't need a left tackle. Period. Just like a corner isn't a valuable position to us.

'Hamas' Jenkins 11-09-2008 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 5206691)
If one can secure the linwe like at QB, you pull the trigger. One can't have enough badass OL

Yes, you can. After a while you think that people would realize that even with one of the best OL's in history, we didn't win a goddamned single playoff game and went to the playoffs but one time.

Basileus777 11-10-2008 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 5206691)
If one can secure the linwe like at QB, you pull the trigger. One can't have enough badass OL

You don't get top 5 picks every year. Using one to draft a player at a position we don't need in order to move a promising young player to another position is a waste, particularly when you can use that pick to fill an actual need. Drafting a tackle in the first round only makes sense is Albert disappoints at LT.

Tribal Warfare 11-10-2008 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5206694)
Yes, you can. After a while you think that people would realize that even with one of the best OL's in history, we didn't win a goddamned single playoff game and went to the playoffs but one time.

Dude, it all starts and ends at OL, and if can secure that with all-world players you pull the trigger. It's the same philosophy when we talk about the QB position concerning Thigpen.


LOL, it's funny when we look at the piss poor at OL, that some people think that when KC has one good OL you is also an excellent it's all gravy. For example knowing what we now about Will Shields, do you think drafting him in the 1st round in the top 10-15 an asinine idea? I don't think so, also if you remember when Shields was the makeshift LT, he was at a pro-bowl level there too.

tk13 11-10-2008 12:02 AM

I know it's total overkill but I have to say that if we got Oher and moved Albert to RT... people look at that as a waste in terms of value, and you may have a point.

But if you stop to look at what you'd have as an actual team... having two guys like that playing tackle means your offensive line is going to be pretty darn good, for a long time... and probably leaves us a QB and RB away from a playoff offense, if not top notch offense. Tough to stop a team that has a beastly offensive line.

'Hamas' Jenkins 11-10-2008 12:02 AM

Nothing that Branden Albert has shown is indicative of the fact that he's not a cornerstone tackle.

It's not the D-Line. You don't need a rotating group of 6-7 guys out there. Yeah, a little depth is nice, but spending a top 15 pick on a guy who is going to play left guard is just foolish. It's not a valuable position.

'Hamas' Jenkins 11-10-2008 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 5206699)
Dude, it all starts and ends at OL, and if can secure that with all-world players you pull the trigger. It's the same philosophy when we talk about the QB position concerning Thigpen

No, it doesn't.

O-line is important, but it's not everything. As long as you have an O-line good enough to keep the QB upright and open holes in the running game, it's done its purpose.

Our fans severely overvalued the importance of the offensive line because we had shit at LT for two years.

We also had an all-world line and won shit with it.

Mr. Laz 11-10-2008 12:07 AM

just wondering......


but if Orakpo is such a beast then why did Texas Tech's Oline just pown them?

Tribal Warfare 11-10-2008 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5206707)
No, it doesn't.

O-line is important, but it's not everything. As long as you have an O-line good enough to keep the QB upright and open holes in the running game, it's done its purpose.



Well it's the base for success, and if one doesn't have it there ass is grass.

'Hamas' Jenkins 11-10-2008 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 5206700)
I know it's total overkill but I have to say that if we got Oher and moved Albert to RT... people look at that as a waste in terms of value, and you may have a point.

But if you stop to look at what you'd have as an actual team... having two guys like that playing tackle means your offensive line is going to be pretty darn good, for a long time... and probably leaves us a QB and RB away from a playoff offense, if not top notch offense. Tough to stop a team that has a beastly offensive line.

How do you know that Branden Albert will excel at RT because he's good at LT? At this point, he's a much better pass blocker than a run blocker, and RT is the road grader position.


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