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OnTheWarpath15 02-14-2009 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 5491113)
They only ran 12 times because the run game wasn't getting it done. Its one thing to bring the run game into against average defenses like they faced in the NFC playoffs, another to try that against the top ranked Steelers. I wouldn't equate it to the Pats-Rams game where Martz only ran a hall of fame running back 9 times. If you can't run the ball, why keep trying to bang your head against the wall? Go with your strength at that point.

How can you say the running game wasn't working when you only tried 12 times?

I can't remember where I saw it, but there's a stat that out of 43 Super Bowls, the team that had the most rushing ATTEMPTS, not yardage has won the Super Bowl 41 out of 43 times.

You can't give up on the run that early.

Chiefs fans should know this better than anyone after the display we were just witness to in 2008.

bevis369 02-14-2009 01:37 PM

Greg Robinson for DC....ROFL

doomy3 02-14-2009 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5491129)
How can you say the running game wasn't working when you only tried 12 times?

I can't remember where I saw it, but there's a stat that out of 43 Super Bowls, the team that had the most rushing ATTEMPTS, not yardage has won the Super Bowl 41 out of 43 times.

You can't give up on the run that early.

Chiefs fans should know this better than anyone after the display we were just witness to in 2008.

No kidding? I would have thought that the Patriots and Rams wins would have been more than those 2 wins.

DaFace 02-14-2009 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5491129)
How can you say the running game wasn't working when you only tried 12 times?

I can't remember where I saw it, but there's a stat that out of 43 Super Bowls, the team that had the most rushing ATTEMPTS, not yardage has won the Super Bowl 41 out of 43 times.

You can't give up on the run that early.

Chiefs fans should know this better than anyone after the display we were just witness to in 2008.

I can't say for sure, but I'd be willing to bet that your causality association is reversed there. Teams that are in the lead tend to run more. Teams that are behind tend to pass more. The fact that they are ahead is the cause, not the effect, of more rushing attempts.

OnTheWarpath15 02-14-2009 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5491142)
No kidding? I would have thought that the Patriots and Rams wins would have been more than those 2 wins.

The Rams in 99 is one of the 2 games.

I found a link that will let me check the validity of that stat, so far, the 99 Rams are the last team that had less rushing attempts and won.

OnTheWarpath15 02-14-2009 01:54 PM

Man, I was WAY off.

Only 39 of the 43 Super Bowl winners had more rushing attempts than the losing team.

1999 Rams

1996 Cowboys

1989 Niners

1979 Cowboys

DaWolf 02-14-2009 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5491129)
How can you say the running game wasn't working when you only tried 12 times?

I can't remember where I saw it, but there's a stat that out of 43 Super Bowls, the team that had the most rushing ATTEMPTS, not yardage has won the Super Bowl 41 out of 43 times.

You can't give up on the run that early.

Chiefs fans should know this better than anyone after the display we were just witness to in 2008.

You have to put it in the context of the game though. IIRC, the Steelers put together some long drives and had a good edge in the TOP, so immediately that reduces the number of possessions you get. I believe the Cards got one good drive in the first half and then the final drive was in the waning minutes of the first half which calls for more of the hurry up.

Second, the Cardinals had a lot of penalties that put them in long yardage situations, so they weren't always in ideal running down and distance.

Third, the Cards found themselves down 20-7, and had to make a comeback quickly. Again, not a situation where you can establish the run.

So I don't think it's accurate to say that they abandoned the run early. The team just didn't put itself in a situation where they could try to establish the run. If that Warner INT doesn't happen at the end of the half, the second half may have been a different story.

I still thought that out of those 12 attempts, there were strategically well placed to keep the Steeler defense honest and not just tee off on the pass. They used a few screen plays and short dumpoffs in there too which helped...

OnTheWarpath15 02-14-2009 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 5491152)
I can't say for sure, but I'd be willing to bet that your causality association is reversed there. Teams that are in the lead tend to run more. Teams that are behind tend to pass more. The fact that they are ahead is the cause, not the effect, of more rushing attempts.

You can only assume that is why they ran the ball.

And FWIW, I'm not trying to prove anything. I just thought it was an interesting stat.

FloridaMan88 02-14-2009 02:12 PM

Perfect there are now openings on the offensive coaching staff for my posse, Mike Martz and Al Saunders.

KCChiefsMan 02-14-2009 02:45 PM

maybe they think Krummy is responsible for Jared Allen

mlyonsd 02-14-2009 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsMan (Post 5491388)
maybe they think Krummy is responsible for Jared Allen

ROFL

Mr. Laz 02-14-2009 03:10 PM

Krumrie stays, Price gone



:banghead:

HemiEd 02-14-2009 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5489258)
Oh no, Tim Krumrie better not be retained.

I agree with you on this.

Dave Lane 02-14-2009 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by NickAthanFan (Post 5489279)
Kill it with fire.

Nuke it from space. Its the only way to be sure...

RedThat 02-14-2009 07:23 PM

No use in worrying about Krumrie. Honestly, no use. The most improtant thing right now is to get a really good defensive co-ordinator in here. Thats what we should be focusing our attention towards.

I think a really good defensive co-ordinator can make up for porous positional coaching.


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