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MahiMike 11-10-2009 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 6251575)
So you are OK with his crappy play because you don't know what Haley is teaching him? Then I guess you are OK with Brown's play? Rudy's play? _____________ (fill in the blank)'s play?

Totally different. It's up to the QB to control (manage) the game. The other guys are just lining up and performing based on situations.

Pioli Zombie 11-10-2009 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6251368)
you are a complete and total idiot.

Take Brady away from your team and you were no better than the other teams BB coached previously.

Name me a few teams that turned everything around without the insertion of a great QB.....you can count those teams on one hand.

Why do you post here?

Take Brady away from the Patriots and they were 11-5 last year. Do we need to go through the list of teams that succeeded without a Hall of Fame QB?
Like women in the office you guys give too much credit to the qb when they win and too much blame when the team loses. See Mecca's moronic claim that the Colts would be 3-13 without Manning. Qb is the key position. Its not the whole team. Its not all about Cassel. The team SUCKS. With Manning they don't win more than 4 or 5 games TOPS.
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HemiEd 11-10-2009 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6251786)
no i'm comparing the SITUATIONS. even the greatest Qbs in the game have problems when pressured, i said this about manning a couple of weeks ago(happy feet and not the same guy when hit) and now that i look it up it's true. his 4 worst int years are also in the his top 5 years for sacks.

not so laughable when you look at it that way IMO


Thanks for clarifying, that makes more sense when you put it that way. But I think it would do him, and the team, some good to sit him for a while.

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-10-2009 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 6252104)
Take Brady away from the Patriots and they were 11-5 last year. Do we need to go through the list of teams that succeeded without a Hall of Fame QB?
Like women in the office you guys give too much credit to the qb when they win and too much blame when the team loses. See Mecca's moronic claim that the Colts would be 3-13 without Manning. Qb is the key position. Its not the whole team. Its not all about Cassel. The team SUCKS. With Manning they don't win more than 4 or 5 games TOPS.
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Get off of Moe Kessel's back.

BossChief 11-10-2009 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 6252104)
Take Brady away from the Patriots and they were 11-5 last year. Do we need to go through the list of teams that succeeded without a Hall of Fame QB?
Like women in the office you guys give too much credit to the qb when they win and too much blame when the team loses. See Mecca's moronic claim that the Colts would be 3-13 without Manning. Qb is the key position. Its not the whole team. Its not all about Cassel. The team SUCKS. With Manning they don't win more than 4 or 5 games TOPS.
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So, you are gonna dodge my question because it wouldn't fit your agenda. I get it.

Teams don't usually turn things around (99% of the time anyway, there is always a Trent Dilfer/Brad Johnson type that goes to a team with a hof defense and wins a championship with it) until they fill the QB position. There is a reason it is called "the most important position in sports"

Cassel took over the Ferrari and never shifted it into 5th or 6th gear. I was talking about a "turnaround" not a injury replacement.

KCUnited 11-10-2009 06:19 PM

Next time you're at a bar in KC order the MarkCastle & McCormick. Its McCormick vodka on the rocks stirred with the bartendars cock cuz this guy sucks the penis. To drink it you throw it back a foot over your head so it hits the guy behind you. MarkCastle & McCormick.

pr_capone 11-10-2009 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 6252154)
Next time you're at a bar in KC order the MarkCastle & McCormick. Its McCormick vodka on the rocks stirred with the bartendars cock cuz this guy sucks the penis. To drink it you throw it back a foot over your head so it hits the guy behind you. MarkCastle & McCormick.

I am dumber for having read this post

KCUnited 11-10-2009 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 6252166)
I am dumber for having read this post

you should check the op...oh wait.

Coogs 11-10-2009 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 6252083)
Totally different. It's up to the QB to control (manage) the game. The other guys are just lining up and performing based on situations.


Yet we have seen no improvement in his management of the game. Again, I am not bashing yet. But I fully think it is ok to start questioning his abilities. He is 27. He has started 22 games in his career now. We should see signs one way or the other. Are we? We may be.

milkman 11-10-2009 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 6250472)
The guy doesnt have time to check every ****ing receiver because he has exactly no time from the second the ball is snapped to the point where he has to get rid of it.

The O-Line is bad, to be sure, but Cassel actually makes them look worse, becasue he has no pocket presense and begins to move away from phnatom pressure and checks down before he has to.

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What the **** do you want him to do? Float on a god damn cloud until one of the DBs trips and falls finally allowing someone to get open?[/qoute]

What I want him to do is to actually stand in the pocket when he does have time and actually go through his progressions.



Yup... coming into this week 4 of those teams were at 4-3 or worse. ****ing powerhouses there.... no doubt.



This is his second year starting. Him being 27 does not translate to on the field experience nor does it translate to him leading the football equivalent of the bad news bears.
He's 27, with 4 years of learning in the NFL behind him before his first year of starting.

Compare his numbers to Aaron Rogers.



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Of course his YPA is awful! His coach is calling ****ing dump offs on 3rd and 19 and he doesnt have time to let his receivers get open. You know that stuff that Charlie and his grandfather drank in Willy Wonka that made them float is fake, right?
His coach isn't calling all those dumpoffs.
He's making those decisions.

Mecca 11-10-2009 08:03 PM

Cassel basically loves the dump off pass, he plays like a game manager QB of a team that can win as long as he doesn't **** up when that is not the case, it makes no sense.

Brock 11-10-2009 08:07 PM

I want to see whether Chambers really makes that much difference. If they continue to hook up downfield, I'll feel a lot better about Cassel.

BossChief 11-10-2009 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6252369)
The O-Line is bad, to be sure, but Cassel actually makes them look worse, becasue he has no pocket presense and begins to move away from phnatom pressure and checks down before he has to.

He's 27, with 4 years of learning in the NFL behind him before his first year of starting.

Compare his numbers to Aaron Rogers.

His coach isn't calling all those dumpoffs.
He's making those decisions.

this

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6252372)
Cassel basically loves the dump off pass, he plays like a game manager QB of a team that can win as long as he doesn't **** up when that is not the case, it makes no sense.

this

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6252378)
I want to see whether Chambers really makes that much difference. If they continue to hook up downfield, I'll feel a lot better about Cassel.

and....THIS

milkman 11-10-2009 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 6250526)
Flacco has 2, Ryan has 1, Rivers has 3.
This is not unique to Cassel. QB's benefit from "garbage time" situations all over the league.



He has time to go through his reads with this God-awful line protecting him?



Chambers made a negligible adjustment to catch that ball.
To a ball thrown to the middle of the field (where any good deep ball should be placed in that situation).

That ball was a rainbow, and Chambers had to come to a virtual stop to make that catch.

Hell, you had time to go take a dump while waiting for it to come down.

pr_capone 11-10-2009 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6252369)
The O-Line is bad, to be sure, but Cassel actually makes them look worse, becasue he has no pocket presense and begins to move away from phnatom pressure and checks down before he has to.

No pocket presence???

The guy has avoided more sacks than Manning will be hurried all year. If not for his pocket presence and mobility... he would be setting records for being sacked the most in a single season.

As it stands, he is on pace to be sacked 10 fewer times than the current record.


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He's 27, with 4 years of learning in the NFL behind him before his first year of starting.

Compare his numbers to Aaron Rogers.
Compare the weapons each has. Also, there was a point last night were they showed Rogers getting 5.4 ****ing seconds to find his receiver and throw. Matt is generally under pressure from the moment the ball is snapped.

Also, he has had 3 years of bench time where he threw all of 39 passes.

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His coach isn't calling all those dumpoffs.
He's making those decisions.
I could be wrong but those dumpoffs on 3rd and 19 look like designed plays and I'm not the only one to say that.

Even if it is his decision, the majority of the time he is throwing them out of necessity because he has defenders crawling up his ass.


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