Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6288057)

Whitlock is knee deep in a Gates platter right now.

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 6287978)

I don't have a problem with that but I think Cassel is just like the other QB's we have had since our O-Line has went to shit where they look at the rush instead of downfield. I just hope he doesn't end up like David Carr.

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 6287530)

Double this. He never once gave Haley any kind of credit until they won yesterday.

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6287727)

You are such a joke.

Rewind the tape a week and you were all over both Pioli and Haley.

Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 6288020)

Why wouldn't it? Unless you think that signing a large contract grants a 1 year free pass.

Did you think that since Cassel signed a long expensive contract, they had no expectations for him for the first year of that contract? :shake:

There isn't a lot of patience in the pros these days. Contracts rarely make it into the later years. If Cassel doesn't show improvement over the first year, that contract is gonna be flushed down the toilet. I'd argue that he's under more pressure to perform than just about anybody else on the team.

Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 6288048)

It doesn't work like that in the NFL. Nobody gets a throw away year with no consequences. Cassel is not being told that what he does won't matter until next season. That's illogical and absurd. Think about what you're saying.

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 6287332)

When it mattered most he wasn't on the field.



The Steelers beat themselves, KC didn't win.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6288616)

i'm not saying that they have TOLD him that, never have. but IMO there was NEVER NEVER NEVER ANY CHANCE HE WOULD BE GONE AFTER THIS YEAR, never any chance. his contract is set up where we could go in another direction after NEXT SEASON. if there was a chance for him to go after this year they wouldnt have given him the contract. they would have played him on the franchise and decide AFTER the season. He'll get two years NO MATTER WHAT IMO

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6287993)

If Big Ben has great pocket presence and is great at avoiding the rush, then why has he been sacked 27 times? His big advantage is that he's a giant that you have to bring down with 3 people.

Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 6288864)

Umm.... WTF are you talking about regarding his contract? "Set up where we could go in another direction after next season."? What does that even mean? I get the feeling you are completely talking out your ass here. Cassel's contract pays the most over the first 3 years.

What are you talking about? Please tell me how his contract was set up to favor the second year? I'm quite curious to hear this. Please explain the inner workings of Cassel's contract for me...

And if the Chiefs would have franchised him, they would have had to pay him even more than they did this year with the contract he signed.

Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 6288864)

Umm.... WTF are you talking about regarding his contract? "Set up where we could go in another direction after next season."? What does that even mean? I get the feeling you are completely talking out your ass here. Cassel's contract pays the most over the first 3 years.

What are you talking about? Please tell me how his contract was set up to favor the second year? I'm quite curious to hear this. Please explain the inner workings of Cassel's contract for me...

And if the Chiefs would have franchised him, they would have had to pay him even more than they did this year with the contract he signed.

Originally Posted by BigRock (Post 6149625)

How so?

If LaConfora is right and Cassel's making $15M this year, we can take the $5M base salary AP says he's making and add $10M in bonus money to it.

AP says he's making $11.25M in bonuses his first two years, so that leaves $1.25M leftover in bonuses for 2010. And they say he's making $11.75M in base next year. That's $13M in total.

$15M in year one and $13M in year two is $28M.

The only thing I can see that doesn't add up is that LaCanfora says Cassel would make $40.5M in the first three years, which would be $12.5M in year three. AP's figures say he's making a base salary of $4.75M, which would mean a bonus of $7.75M. But they only list his year-three bonus as $7.5M, which ends up being 250K short. That could just be a typo or something, though.



That's fine, but whether or not they cut him, we should at least acknowledge that his contract does indeed appear to be structured where he CAN be cut after two years. In fact, it's slightly cheaper having him under this deal than it would have been to keep him on a yearly basis for two years.

As I've said since the deal was announced, unless someone actually thinks they would have traded a 2nd round pick and gotten rid of Cassel after one season, I don't know how anyone can complain about the contract they signed him to.

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6288057)

Whitlock is knee deep in a Gates platter right now.

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6288940)

here you go, i had this exact same argument with OTWP and bigrock said it better than i could

Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 6288965)

And?

That's just a bunch of conjecture. If this... if that....

That doesn't answer a thing. And still doesn't prove that the contract was setup with a freebie first year.

How about something better than "If this report is right.................." ?

Originally Posted by kaplin42 (Post 6288648)

Bullshit!

The redskins beat themselves, the raiders beat themselves, hell the cowboys tried to but we just wouldn't have it. The steelers tried to win, they were putting it to the chiefs big time, just look at the stats and you can see that. The chiefs won this one proper, and not only that they won a game against a real team, not another team full of fail.

Just cause your team is being showed for the what it actually is (Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton a great QB, ****ing please) doen't mean you have to shit on a legitamate win by our team.

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 6288985)

The Steelers made mistakes that were do to mental errors more than anything KC did. Mike Wallace's fumble, the kick return TD, Roethlisburger throwing INT's right to your team. Those are mistakes the Steelers don't make. The Chiefs played horrible and had to get lucky to win. End of story.