We have a really stupid fan base that can't understand basic logic that is what this forum has taught me.

But hey drink that koolaid, right now Pioli's first year on the job is an epic fail. Shit draft, shit fa, but if someone wants to tell themselves different they can but the results are there. Our coaching staff sucks, our head coach is a reerun that screams like a woman on her period.

Do you have reading comprehension skills?

Where is the progress? Where is a nice core player Scott Pioli got us to build upon?

No one was asking for a good year but this idea that because we didn't expect that means everyone can completely suck and it's ok is stupid as hell.

It's not hard to fathom at all - it was expected - considering they brought in a gimmick, spread offense QB and backed up the Brinks truck to his door.

They're trying to force square pegs into round holes all over the roster, instead of playing the system that best suits the players.

Basically, this so-called "evaluation year" was nothing but a wasted year - and maybe the rebuild actually starts in 2010.

Maybe this season was a whole "fooled you" kind of thing. Cassel will hold a press conference where he pulls off his mask and he reveals that he's actually Tom Brady in disguise.

If we do turn it around, will you leave forever?

I wonder how many Patriots guys we can sign, that'll be the ticket.

How many times can a guy say "it's too soon to tell" until the idea finally registers. It's not about 2009. It's never been about 2009. Whether they've succeeded or failed is a question that can't possibly be answered now.

I don't know about that. This organization has been in loser mode for 3 years so I understand when they say they want to change the mentality or the culture of losing. But the best way to do that is to win so we still have a ways to go.

Ah yes I am so sorry that being honest has ruined your day.

Scott Pioli has brought in 30 new players and found 2 guys that are worth a shit, at this rate we'll be good in...15 years.

Actually, I haven't noticed anyone claiming that the "results are there". Just people who feel it is somewhat premature to jam our panties up our asses and hold our breath until we turn blue.

Interestingly, Haley had it right all along. We don't have sufficient talent to overcome mistakes and turnovers. Let's wait and see what happens during the upcoming off-season. Maybe we'll see improvement in both the coaching staff and player personnel. I'm confident that neither Pioli nor Haley are particularly pleased with the gang of idiots we fielded this year. We know for sure that they're not shy when it comes to pulling the trigger on a change.

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It's taught me that, too, but I have a feeling it's for completely different reasons.

I really don't get why expecting Scott Pioli to find a handful of players for the future in his first year is asking to much but apparently it is.

You, honest. Ha.

I can handle someone coming at things with a perspective like Hamas, OTW, or Deez because they actually provide insight and don't act like 14 year old school girls.

I've stayed out of these discussions for the last several months because I wanted to sit back with an open mind and see what developed.

But with December upon us, and a day removed from probably our worst game of the season, I am with OTWP here.

I haven't given up on Pioli and Haley by any means (although my criticism of Haley in the Woody Paige thread suggests he's on a shorter leash). I'm not of the "Pioli's a fraud" mindset yet. But I think it's inescapable that to this point, 3/4ths of the way into the season, we're spinning our wheels.

Maybe things will start clicking down the stretch. I hope so. But I am very disappointed to see so little development of individual players and the head coach.

Again, I wasn't expecting to see improvement measured by wins. I didn't expect them to "turn it around in one season" (ala the 2008 Dolphins). I fully expected utter crap early in the season. But I DID expect to see better football played in December than I did in September.

Yes, we all wanted him to find losers. That's exactly it.