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Mecca 04-05-2010 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge (Post 6653950)
And Tyson Jackson was?

Ok so your argument is, "Our front office is ****ing dumb"

RedThat 04-05-2010 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6653913)
So you want 3 straight 5 techs?

I don't look at it that way.

I view him as a player that has the ability to dominate at the next level. He has such great versitility, you can line him up at either the 4-3 or 3-4 he gives you many options on defense, and imo will change the face of a defense, a guy you can build around. He is a rare talent coming out.

I haven't seen anybody with that kinda size to have both the combination of great strength, power and explosiveness like he has. Plus, he uses his hands very very well. The dude can disengage well at the point of attack and shed blocks. He plays like a men amongst boys at the collegiate level, I can only imagine what he is going to do at the pro level. I think he has the most important attributes that are necessary for DL to be great. Add to the fact he has a nastiness and mean streak about him better than most lineman that are coming out. I think he is the best player in the draft.

SAUTO 04-05-2010 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6653928)
Did Buffalo's GM make their first big player move the same shit the last Gm would have done?

We've moved on someone elses backup QB numerous times and here it is yet again.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

i could care less what buffalo did. the POINT IS that this regime is different. you cant say what will happen with ANY amount of certainty. same as the different regime in buffalo.

Sully 04-05-2010 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge (Post 6653737)
If we had drafted Sanchez last year and he played like he did last year, some of you would be calling for his head. Keep in mind that the Jets managed to make the playoffs in spite of him, certainly not because of him. Imagine how terrible he would have been on this team.

Very few QBs would have excelled in the situation the Chiefs had last year. If Cassel still plays as poorly this season, I will eat all the crow in the world. But Pioli will give him another chance.

Again, I don't see the point in swallowing Clausen's load every other post. It's just not going to happen.

Who?
Who is this "some of you" you are imagining that wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a rookie in his first year and an NFL vet who has regressed?

It's easy to make up scenerios when you use the vagueness you employ here.

mlyonsd 04-05-2010 05:28 PM

No matter what happens this is going to be an ugly place the night they draft the first round. I love it.

MoreLemonPledge 04-05-2010 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6653959)
Ok so your argument is, "Our front office is ****ing dumb"

No, my argument is that Pioli will take who he wants, not who was mocked to him by Todd McShay.

If they don't view Safety as a position worth investing that high on, it very well could be Dan Williams. You say that they want to hedge their bets with Cassel, but why wouldn't they do the same with Tyson Jackson (even if the thought of taking another defensive lineman makes me want to vomit)?

I'm firmly aboard the Berry bandwagon, but I wouldn't be shocked to see them take the other Tennessee player.

SAUTO 04-05-2010 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6653935)
Consensus?

Were you here when no one wanted anything to do with Matt Cassel and then the trade happened and 95% of those people flipped their stances?

i think he was talking about writers and people around the NFL, not message board gurus

The Franchise 04-05-2010 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat (Post 6653972)
I don't look at it that way.

I view him as a player that has the ability to dominate at the next level. He has such great versitility, you can line him up at either the 4-3 or 3-4 he gives you many options on defense, and imo will change the face of a defense, a guy you can build around. He is a rare talent coming out.

I haven't seen anybody with that kinda size to have both the combination of great strength, power and explosiveness like he has. Plus, he uses his hands very very well. The dude can disengage well at the point of attack and shed blocks. He plays like a men amongst boys at the collegiate level, I can only imagine what he is going to do at the pro level. I think he has the most important attributes that are necessary for DL to be great. Add to the fact he has a nastiness and mean streak about him better than most lineman that are coming out. I think he is the best player in the draft.

Suh would be a waste of a pick. He's not a NT and we already drafted two 3-4 DEs. And I don't see us going to a 4-3 if we draft him.

Mecca 04-05-2010 05:29 PM

Trading for someone elses backup QB is the shit Carl did for 20 years, how hard is that to understand.

MoreLemonPledge 04-05-2010 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sully (Post 6653977)
Who?
Who is this "some of you" you are imagining that wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a rookie in his first year and an NFL vet who has regressed?

It's easy to make up scenerios when you use the vagueness you employ here.

I'm sure there would be a number of people pissed off if we took Sanchez and he had a poor first year. There would be people still calling for us to draft Clausen and have them both compete.

Hell, there have been people saying that we should draft a QB early every year until we find the right one, even though each one will only get 1 season to start.

Sorry I don't remember everybody's name and exactly what they post. I'll be sure to try harder.

Mecca 04-05-2010 05:33 PM

Most of the people who absolutely despise Cassel would be a lot more patient with a rookie QB.

28 year olds don't get the same time or patience as rookies do that's completely different. You move on a guy Cassel's age that's a win now player, he's expected to be good right now.

That's basically comparing apples to oranges, if Sanchez plays 6 years and never improves then that's a problem.

SAUTO 04-05-2010 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6653988)
Trading for someone elses backup QB is the shit Carl did for 20 years, how hard is that to understand.

i think everyone understands that, SOME just dont think we can assume that will be the status quo after ONE YEAR.

Mecca 04-05-2010 05:34 PM

I don't even get your argument, what is it?

Hey we traded for Cassel but we might draft a QB someday!

ChiefsCountry 04-05-2010 05:35 PM

Its worst than status quo, Pioli made moves last year that would make Carl look like a HOF GM.

CoMoChief 04-05-2010 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge (Post 6653950)
And Tyson Jackson was?

No, but there's actually a guy that will be there that's a legit player and a player of glaring need on this team.


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