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MOhillbilly 01-10-2011 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kcchiefsfanGoJC (Post 7343663)
I've said it often and I'll say it again, give me Von Miller.

yup, just have to wait and see.

DJ's left nut 01-10-2011 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 7343637)
No, it's not. Come on, you know that. Jackson and Cassel never stood a chance with a group here, and the bitching about McCluster has been like that, although to a lesser extent.



I agree with this. One extreme is as bad as the other.

Not true at all.

How many folks came around over the last 4-5 weeks and said "Y'know - maybe Cassel isn't that bad. I apologize, I'm on the wagon", etc, etc....

A lot of people got into Cassel's corner when he performed. Had he performed early, they'd have gotten in there even sooner. Had he continued to perform, they wouldn't have left.

When the man plays quarterback like an NFL player - he gets credit for it. When he shit the bed, well that was called what it was.

As for Jackson - who the hell knows? He's sucked for his entire career, except for spits and starts of productivity which are usually noted in a game thread or a post-game thread. If he does that for any appreciable period of time, it will be commended as well.

I'm just not interested in this argument - it's simply not supportable. Guys that come in here and perform tend to get credit for it. Players that do not, don't. And there's no shortage of crow eaten either.

DN is right - you're painting with a broad brush, and not even doing that very well.

jd1020 01-10-2011 04:40 PM

I'm going with QB, NT, WR (in that order). I don't care what anyone says about "never gonna happen." I feel we need to get a quality QB and not someone thats gonna be drafted in the 4th or later round to backup a backup. This draft is also stacked with WR's so its not the end of the world to pick up a sleeper like Pettis. Pittsburgh seems to be in a pickle with extending Woodley with the CBA situation and he could very likely end up a FA.

OnTheWarpath15 01-10-2011 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7343654)
I'm saying we stopped using him heavily.

If you've got a guy out there nursing a stinger, a concussion or a bum hip (who the hell knows what he hurt), then you don't stop using him entirely - you just stop using him as heavily.

I ask again - what's your explanation? Are you really just going to say "They were too stupid to know he's good..." -- seriously? C'mon, they ran the guy heavily during their offense's most productive period. Oh, and he nearly set a record for YPC. The staff knows he's good. Alternatively -- do you believe Weis and/or Haley were trying to prove a point? Because I'm pretty sure you don't prove anything by pissing down your leg in a playoff game. I don't think icing Charles proves anything.

If you're going to say the simplest explanation is inaccurate, you have to proffer a reasonable alternative. To this point, I've yet to see one. What I know is that he was used heavily for a spell of effective football. Then he lowered his should to deliver a hit against a bigger guy, got treatment on the sideline and was not used nearly as frequently for the rest of the game (nor was he as effective when he was being used).

If he was out there in pass pro, perhaps it was a decoy effect. If he was getting the ball on the 4th down, perhaps it was because that was one of those times where you go to your ace, even if you think he only has a carry or two left in him.

The alternatives just don't make a lot of sense.

If he's so injured that there's no use for him, get him off the field. Don't play 10 on 11.

I'm not saying Haley's stupid. I'm not saying they don't know how good JC is.

I'm saying they panicked in a tight game, and followed mistakes by making bigger mistakes. You just raped a team for 100 yards rushing in the first half, then start slinging the ball all over the yard.

Like I said, he guy played after said "injury."

If he was hurt badly enough to not be a factor, he shouldn't have been on the field.

But he was. Quite a bit. But on 8 of his 15 snaps after, he was used in pass protection - something he's not real good at to begin with.

If he's healthy enough to be on the field, then he's healthy enough to be used as a weapon, not ignored.

Just Passin' By 01-10-2011 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7343668)
Not true at all.

How many folks came around over the last 4-5 weeks and said "Y'know - maybe Cassel isn't that bad. I apologize, I'm on the wagon", etc, etc....

A lot of people got into Cassel's corner when he performed. Had he performed early, they'd have gotten in there even sooner. Had he continued to perform, they wouldn't have left.

When the man plays quarterback like an NFL player - he gets credit for it. When he shit the bed, well that was called what it was.

He performed all year long. People finally gave him credit in week 16. They then proceeded to shit on him all over again right after that. That's just covering their asses and then bashing all over again.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7343668)
As for Jackson - who the hell knows? He's sucked for his entire career, except for spits and starts of productivity which are usually noted in a game thread or a post-game thread. If he does that for any appreciable period of time, it will be commended as well.

I'm just not interested in this argument - it's simply not supportable. Guys that come in here and perform tend to get credit for it. Players that do not, don't. And there's no shortage of crow eaten either.

DN is right - you're painting with a broad brush, and not even doing that very well.

I don't know who DN is, but this has been going on for the past 2 years, and I'm not painting with a broad brush at all. It's been obvious to witness, and the board split over it.

However, this stuff is not the topic here, so I'll drop it.

DeezNutz 01-10-2011 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 7343713)
I don't know who DN is

Don't be coy; you know DeezNutz.

OnTheWarpath15 01-10-2011 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 7343713)
He performed all year long. People finally gave him credit in week 16. They then proceeded to shit on him all over again right after that. That's just covering their asses and then bashing all over again.

10/22 - 68 yards - 1 TD - 0 INT

16/28 - 176 yards - 0 TD - 2 INT

16/29 - 156 yards - 0 TD - 0 INT

14/26 - 152 yards - 1 TD - 0 INT

17/31 - 196 yards - 1 TD - 0 INT

11/33 - 115 yards - 0 TD - 2 INT

9/18 - 70 yards - 0 TD - 3 INT



Yeah, he performed all year long.

Some games he performed poorly, some he performed pretty average, some games he performed well.

DeezNutz 01-10-2011 04:53 PM

That's only 41% of the games this season. Too little to worry about. Luckily, '09 was stellar, but that's everyone else's fault.

OnTheWarpath15 01-10-2011 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7343752)
That's only 41% of the games this season. Too little to worry about. Luckily, '09 was stellar, but that's everyone else's fault.

LMAO

ChiefsCountry 01-10-2011 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kcchiefsfanGoJC (Post 7343663)
I've said it often and I'll say it again, give me Von Miller.

He doesn't fit the mold for an OLB in the Patriots style of defense.

ChiefsCountry 01-10-2011 05:01 PM

Also how come a dumbass Patriot fan defends Cassel more than any Chief fan. It just puzzles the hell out of me. I guess we all should go to PhinHaven and just tell them how lucky they are to have Thigpen.

jd1020 01-10-2011 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 7343775)
He doesn't fit the mold for an OLB in the Patriots style of defense.

He'll probably be going earlier than expected anyways with the Texans hiring Phillips.

Saul Good 01-10-2011 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly (Post 7343491)
Im gonna beat the drum for OLB all off season. An upgrade in team speed and a everydown tandum at safety will make this D lethal.

As long as we don't have a Nose, it doesn't really matter who we have at OLB because he's going to have to cover for our NT instead of being used to his potential.

googlegoogle 01-10-2011 06:52 PM

STEPHEN PAEA, DT, OREGON ST.

Mr. Kotter 01-10-2011 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 7343702)
I'm going with QB, NT, WR (in that order). I don't care what anyone says about "never gonna happen." I feel we need to get a quality QB and not someone thats gonna be drafted in the 4th or later round to backup a backup. This draft is also stacked with WR's so its not the end of the world to pick up a sleeper like Pettis. Pittsburgh seems to be in a pickle with extending Woodley with the CBA situation and he could very likely end up a FA.

Well, one in five agree with you...so you aren't alone that's for sure.


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