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acarter25 12-08-2011 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8180091)
The problem is that KC's offensive system is the worst system in 30 + years.

I agree, so bring in a big time OC. Which I think is something everyone will agree that this team should/will do with or without Haley here. Now, if we bring another OC and Haley runs him off then I will be more ready to fire him. Offensively yes we are horrible but we have no OC, no QB, RB is injured, and o-line is in need of help. Also, yes offense may be at square one now but with JC back, and moeaki helps more than he hurts, you already climb a ton IMO and offense isn't the only part of the team. Its the system in general that will be affected IMO, because the offense can't get much worse.

htismaqe 12-08-2011 09:21 AM

His stubborn attachment to Tyler Palko is reason enough to fire him today.

Chiefnj2 12-08-2011 09:27 AM

What's the status of Orton?

FringeNC 12-08-2011 09:30 AM

The defensive is improving. Is it because of talent or Crennel? Could we just plug in a new coach over Crennel?

Regarding Haley, I have been a supporter, but someone has to take the blame for this embarrassing offense. Haley is supposed to be a great offensive mind. It's still possible that he is, but come on, this offensive right now is a joke. I see no reason to bring Haley back if Pioli is still attached to Cassel. Cassel and Haley don't work well together. I'd bring Haley back only if Cassel is gone.

acarter25 12-08-2011 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8180169)
What's the status of Orton?

This, curious as well. Haven't hardly heard a thing about it.

Coogs 12-08-2011 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8180146)
His stubborn attachment to Tyler Palko is reason enough to fire him today.

I think he is trying to make a point to Pioli. I just never have believed Haley wanted Cassel, and wants to prove to Pioli that a journeyman QB with no arm can accomplish pretty much everyting that Cassel can... and possibly even more with his pocket presence and scrambling ability. I think through Palko he is trying to show Pioli that we really need to upgrade the QB position, even though you spent 60+ million on Cassel.

TheGuardian 12-08-2011 09:33 AM

I don't know why this board clamors so much for a vet head coach. Esp one that has already been to the SB.

How many head coaches that have been to SB's, went to another team and took them to one?

I find it HILARIOUS that guys want to draft a QB, give him time to let him develop, but aren't willing to do that with a young coach. Talk about talking out of both sides of your ass.

Haley won last year when his QB played well. The defense has been carrying the team much of this year, and I'm not sure how many head coaches would even have the record we have right now with the guys we lost. A pro bowl safety, a pro bowl running running, and a borderline pro bowl tight end?

And some of you bitches say "I've seen enough?"

Dumbasses.

Coogs 12-08-2011 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8180169)
What's the status of Orton?

Day to day. He did not practice yesterday. Stanzi was the backup yesterday in paractice.

Rausch 12-08-2011 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by penchief (Post 8180071)
Yes. He's shown signs of becoming a very good coach. If we let him go he'll end up having success somewhere else, IMO.

Based on what?

Dead serious. WHAT has he done that's made you think he'll win games here or somewhere else?...

Rausch 12-08-2011 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 8180194)
I don't know why this board clamors so much for a vet head coach. Esp one that has already been to the SB.

How many head coaches that have been to SB's, went to another team and took them to one?

How many QB's have won SB's with more than one team?

Yeah, stupid ****ing argument.

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 8180194)
I find it HILARIOUS that guys want to draft a QB, give him time to let him develop, but aren't willing to do that with a young coach. Talk about talking out of both sides of your ass.

No, you give them time.

Not a decade.

I think a HC deserves 3 years and I'd say the same for a top 15 pick (unless they're a total flame-out-douche like Russel or Leaf.)

It doesn't take half a ****ing decade to know what you're looking at...

TheGuardian 12-08-2011 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 8180225)
How many QB's have won SB's with more than one team?

Yeah, stupid ****ing argument.

No that's a great argument as to why going after a vet QB with a SB win probably won't bode well. Thanks brainiac.

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No, you give them time.

Not a decade.

I think a HC deserves 3 years and I'd say the same for a top 15 pick (unless they're a total flame-out-douche like Russel or Leaf.)

It doesn't take half a ****ing decade to know what you're looking at...
Who the F said a decade????? But yeah it sometimes takes coaches a few years to figure some things out. Most guys aren't super ****ing stars in 3 seasons, esp without good quarterback play.

JFC.

Fritz88 12-08-2011 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8179754)

His fiery attitude is infectious and the team plays with that emotion and passion. Haleys motivational skills are up there with about anyones.

I am not sure if that's entirely accurate. A team that plays with passion is a team that does not give up easily and won't let other teams push it around on its own turf.

The games against Buffalo, 'Fins, Detriot were all instances when the players pretty much gave up. Oakland last season and San Diego. That's not passionate football. That's a sign of a lousy team.

If there's anyone who plays with heart and emotion on this team it's Matt Cassel, but does that help him win us games? No. Because he just sucks at being a QB. The players are not playing for Matt the same way Denver players and are playing for the Tebow.

The same applies to Haley, the players won't get motivated because you can't give what you lack and that is why can't be a good coach when you suck at coaching. The players know it.

Another problem is situational football and you mentioned that. It's a big issue and many crucial games are decided by careful management of 2 minutes offense and knowing when to go for it on 4th down. The guy has massively sucked at it.

His offenses have sucked monkey balls. You can't win SBs without a decent offense. The only decent offense we had was with Wies and guess what? Haley ran him out. He ran Chan out who made Tyler Thigpen a passable back up. Muir is Haley's bitch and we see how that is working for us.

Those who claim that he develops players, I will only agree with the fact that he's a proven WR groomer. Hali and DJ just needed a change of scenery to explode. Perhaps be used properly and that's what Romeo did for us. As for the other 'finds' that he got us, we have to realize that every coach is bound to find a few good players. Every coach ends up 'discovering' a couple of good talents.


Lastly, Palko. 'nough said.

Fritz88 12-08-2011 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 8180239)
No that's a great argument as to why going after a vet QB with a SB win probably won't bode well. Thanks brainiac.



Who the F said a decade????? But yeah it sometimes takes coaches a few years to figure some things out. Most guys aren't super ****ing stars in 3 seasons, esp without good quarterback play.

JFC.

Shit. The Guardian is posting here.

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penchief 12-08-2011 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 8180200)
Based on what?

Dead serious. WHAT has he done that's made you think he'll win games here or somewhere else?...

Player development. Young team with young players stepping up. Team chemistry. A team that overachieves. Fire in his belly. Flushing out the loser mentality that permeated the team before he got here. Not afraid to think outside of the box or take risks. Has an unshakable belief in his philosophy and is willing to stick to his guns. Takes the steady-as-she-goes approach toward fixing the team instead of the quick fix, even when under fire. Respected by his players.

Does he have lots of room to grow? Sure. Are their plenty of kinks to be ironed out? I'd say yes. But he is more than just the next guy in line, ala Gunther. He earned a name for himself at an early age for bringing something special to the table (a unique ability to maximize the potential of his players).

IMO, he has the potential to be a very good coach. And I think time will bear that out.

Rausch 12-08-2011 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 8180239)
No that's a great argument as to why going after a vet QB with a SB win probably won't bode well. Thanks brainiac.

Ruthlessrapist, Rodgers, Brady, Manning, Elway, Montana, Steve Young, Favre, and Aikman were all total pieces of $3it after they won their first super bowl.


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