It's hard to say what's going on in KC. On the one hand, I agree with this take, and it frustrates me that they haven't seen what he offers. On the other hand, Belichick and Pioli kept Tom Brady, in his rookie year, as a fourth QB behind Drew Bledsoe, John Friesz, and Michael "Bound For The CFL" Bishop. IIRC he didn't dress or take a snap. :shrug:

Guess we will never know...

Brady also continued to play during the season even when Bledsoe got healthy, which actually pissed off a lot of Patriots fans at the time. But the point is, it was obvious to everyone in that building that the Patriots were playing better team football with Brady in there. There was no move to go back to the guy they had just handed the big contract to. And this was all before he went on to win the Super Bowl that year.

This is not to compare Orton to Brady or anything like that. It's just to say that because Pioli likes a guy and gave him a big contract, he of all people knows what it is like if you find someone else who fits in better with the team, moves the ball, and wins you games...

Orton should be the starter regardless...

I support keeping Orton.

Look, here are our options.

1. Keep Cassel and Orton and have them compete for the starting job.

2. Keep Cassel, let Orton walk. Draft a QB.

3. Keep Orton, let Cassel walk. Draft a QB.

4. Dump both, draft a QB, and let he or Stanzi start.

I like option #3 the best. Option 1 is garbage (but I'm 100% sure that's what will come to pass) and option #4 kinda falls into the 'putting all eggs into single basket'.

Orton should be looked at for what he is: A mediocre (or 'solid') Journeyman Quarterback who can operate as a stop gap.

I don't see a problem with it unless the team views Orton as a long term solution (which I believe they will).

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Yeah first post.............:clap:

Babin got a 1 game suspension for breaking apart in mid-air while playing the Jets

Does anyone know what the financial downside would be to cutting Cassel? If we waive him and nobody picks him up, does that mean we still have to give him the rest of his $65m?

IMO it's a little early to have an opinion on Kyle but as people have said, he certainly goes through his rotation faster. Also, I like the touch he puts on the ball to make it easier to catch. Cassel likes to throw lasers.

Remember, Cassel had some big games last year. The Raiders should put more pressure on Orton Sunday. Matt has had to survive behind a pourous, sub-average line, lets see what Kyle can do.

Also something to consider, I'm convinced that one reason Matt was chosen was because Pioli knew how bad the O-line was and knew he needed someone durable. He is that, he's taken some real shots this year and come back from them. Also I'm sure that his game was affected early in the year when he had bruised ribs. Stanzi doesn't look that tough, not sure about Orton.

Draft a QB? not before D-Line pls
 

I think we might be wiser to draft a crushing DLman. Either a big, built for purpose nosetackle (we've really missed Smith this year), or rushing complement to Hali at the other end. If we had more of a run stuffing NT then I think that DJ would be turned loose to wreak havok even more.

My thinking is that the best thing we could do for our offense would be to give them the ball more often in better field position. We should get Moeaki and Charles back albeit not as good but still better weapons, we should do ok scoring, but we need to be able to stop people better.

"If we waive him and nobody picks him up, does that mean we still have to give him the rest of his $65m? "

No, and I doubt any more of his contract is guaranteed. I think if he is cut, he does clear waivers, and the Chiefs are off the hook completely.

yep.

Right but that was 2 games into the season, not 2 games LEFT in the season. Completely different situation because of the timeline and sample size.

There is a very good chance the QB depth charts is:

Orton
Cassel
Stanzi

next year. Very good chance.