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Reaper16 01-11-2012 10:58 AM

As far as the OP goes, you underestimate how much Dre Kirkpatrick is an insane man who doesn't really play a very good CB. He gets by on his incredible athleticism but finds himself out of position a lot.

Titty Meat 01-11-2012 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 8285162)
As far as the OP goes, you underestimate how much Dre Kirkpatrick is an insane man who doesn't really play a very good CB. He gets by on his incredible athleticism but finds himself out of position a lot.

Kareem Jackson says hey.

GordonGekko 01-11-2012 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8284816)
I know EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

Trent Richardson is a curtain - it all looks good up front but what's behind him still STINKS.

If you like going 10-6 and losing in the playoffs every year, by all means, draft him.

I'd prefer to see a Super Bowl in my lifetime.

Shit, I'd take 10-6 every year, and you know making the playoffs that many times in a row you'd luck the fuck out eventually and win the SB. It is a numbers game *moneyball.

ToxSocks 01-11-2012 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8285118)
because Superbowls are won by great QBs, not serviceable QBs....

I can't even believe I'm reading this from a Chiefs fan...is this Carl?

Yeah. But this is about drafting a RB, not about whether or not we're drafting a QB.

QB is the obvious answer.

But passing up one of the best talents in the draft because our QB isn't there is not how you build a talented team.

talastan 01-11-2012 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Setsuna (Post 8285132)
I think Chiefs have the swag necessary to win a SB without an elite QB. You need to recognize and not be reeruned.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...i8niS-6T7-Z9_A

the Talking Can 01-11-2012 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 8285167)
Yeah. But this is about drafting a RB, not about whether or not we're drafting a QB.

QB is the obvious answer.

But passing up one of the best talents in the draft because our QB isn't there is not how you build a talented team.

i was responding to his post...the claim you win a superbowl with a jagoff QB and a bunch of great RBs is demonstrably false...

and we already have an Elite RB...not sure why people claim we need one...do we need two? in my opinion, no...

ToxSocks 01-11-2012 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8285183)
i was responding to his post...the claim you win a superbowl with a jagoff QB and a bunch of great RBs is demonstrably false...

and we already have an Elite RB...not sure why people claim we need one...do we need two? in my opinion, no...

Because there is a ton of uncertainty surrounding our elite back. He's not built to handle 350+ carries. Doing so will drive JC into the ground.

That's even if his surgically repaired knee survives his first season back.

I guess i'm one of the few people who doesn't want to hinge our running game on a bum knee and Jackie Battle.

Fansy the Famous Bard 01-11-2012 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 8285167)
Yeah. But this is about drafting a RB, not about whether or not we're drafting a QB.

QB is the obvious answer.

But passing up one of the best talents in the draft because our QB isn't there is not how you build a talented team.

No it's about failing hard now so that we have as many chances to draft that franchise qb as it takes in the future.

Personally, I don't like the idea of taking a RB that high in the draft. Though, if he's the best player there at #11, you take him. Or try to trade out and get more picks. But throwing your hands up and complaining furiously about drafting someone with talent because it keeps us from getting a QB in the future is ridiculous.

MahiMike 01-11-2012 11:35 AM

I've been seeing Richardson as high as top 5 in a lot of mocks. He didn't necessarily impress me as much as I'd hoped in BCS championship game.

Decastro is versatile at either guard spot or RT. Take the boring pick and move on.

Reaper16 01-11-2012 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 8285274)
I've been seeing Richardson as high as top 5 in a lot of mocks. He didn't necessarily impress me as much as I'd hoped in BCS championship game.

He got 96 yards and a TD against the 2nd best defense in the country, a defense who were treating the box like it was a clown car on account of how many guys were stacked in it. How was that not impressive?

Setsuna 01-11-2012 11:39 AM

Alright you fools. So we won't get an elite QB, bank on that you spaztastic idiots. Let's get an OL 11th overall, and watch him battle injuries like Okung and that dude on the Skins. Wasted pick. Oh and what team lately has won without an elite two RB tandem? If no draft day moves and Richardson is there, you get him or suffer under .500 seasons forever.

saphojunkie 01-11-2012 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 8282565)
Kind of tired of seeing people spout this over and over again. Yes, Good backs can be found in later rounds.

ELITE backs...not so much.

Trent Richardson is an Elite back.

He is an Elite talent and the Chiefs would be reeruned not to pick him there. The guy is instant offense, similar to the way Berry was instant Defense.

If Orton is re-signed, having a tandem of backs like JC and Richardson would allow a guy like Orton (who uses the Play Action very effectivly) to open up the passing game.

This whole theory that taking an elite back will set this franchise back is full of holes.

What if Cassel or Orton goes down and Stanzi/Rookie Qb have to start? Having a pair of backs like that will make their job a Lot easier.

Your top 10 running backs for this year:

1. Maurice Jones-Drew - 2nd Round
2. Arian Foster - undrafted
3. Fred Jackson - undrafted, invited to training camp after 2 years in a semi-pro league
4. Darren McFadden - 1st round (injured on IR)
5. LeSean McCoy - 2nd round
6. Ray Rice - 2nd round
7. Michael Turner - 5th round
8. Matt Forte - 2nd round
9. Adrian Peterson - 1st round (injured on IR)
10. Marshawn Lynch - 1st round

Others of note:

Jamaal Charles - 3rd round
Frank Gore - 3rd round
Demarco Murray - 3rd round
Priest Holmes - undrafted
Terrel Davis - 6th round
Legarette Blount - undrafted


Your theory makes no sense, especially considering the fact that WE CURRENTLY HAVE AN ELITE RB ON OUR ROSTER DRAFTED IN THE 3RD ROUND.

if anything, there is zero doubt that the type of RB we need is the exact kind you can draft in later rounds.

ToxSocks 01-11-2012 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 8285427)
Your top 10 running backs for this year:

1. Maurice Jones-Drew - 2nd Round
2. Arian Foster - undrafted
3. Fred Jackson - undrafted, invited to training camp after 2 years in a semi-pro league
4. Darren McFadden - 1st round (injured on IR)
5. LeSean McCoy - 2nd round
6. Ray Rice - 2nd round
7. Michael Turner - 5th round
8. Matt Forte - 2nd round
9. Adrian Peterson - 1st round (injured on IR)
10. Marshawn Lynch - 1st round

Others of note:

Jamaal Charles - 3rd round
Frank Gore - 3rd round
Demarco Murray - 3rd round
Priest Holmes - undrafted
Terrel Davis - 6th round
Legarette Blount - undrafted


Your theory makes no sense, especially considering the fact that WE CURRENTLY HAVE AN ELITE RB ON OUR ROSTER DRAFTED IN THE 3RD ROUND.

if anything, there is zero doubt that the type of RB we need is the exact kind you can draft in later rounds.

Ok. So 7 of your top 10 backs were taken in the first two rounds. Not rounds 4-7.

Got it. Thanks.

Oh, and our Elite RB, is coming off of an ACL surgery and has never been a workhorse. If you want to be unbiased, then present all the facts.

the Talking Can 01-11-2012 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Setsuna (Post 8285290)
Alright you fools. So we won't get an elite QB, bank on that you spaztastic idiots. Let's get an OL 11th overall, and watch him battle injuries like Okung and that dude on the Skins. Wasted pick. Oh and what team lately has won without an elite two RB tandem? If no draft day moves and Richardson is there, you get him or suffer under .500 seasons forever.

we already have an elite RB you moron

and no superbowl team in memory has had 2 'elite' backs...

Frosty 01-11-2012 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 8285440)
Ok. So 7 of your top 10 backs were taken in the first two rounds. Not rounds 4-7.

Got it. Thanks.

Blount was widely regarded as a 1st round pick until the punching incident.


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