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Cowboys "covet" free agent CB Brandon Carr (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=256518)

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 8400027)

But this is exactly why we should've worked a long term deal with Bowe, and then franchised Carr. But no. We're too ****ing stupid to do that.

Yep. It's the Patriot Way... :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 8400965)

I still think he gets paid. He is too critical to their offense for them to let him walk.

I hope so, but wouldn't you be a little scared to offer him a big new contract without know if he could play at the same level?

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Originally Posted by GoHuge39 (Post 8400997)

This statement is riddled with full reerun. You can't expect to get compensation on every guy that reaches free agency because he is a good player. I understand wanting to, but this philosophy is a first class ticket to cap hell. You would have to sign every guy to an extension before they reach free agency. The "spirit" of the franchise tag is not to keep a player held hostage from free agency so a team can try and get compensation for him. The NFLPA would NEVER agree to a system like that. Carr has earned the right to get top dollar for his services. If he wants to make the best business decision for himself (even if that means leaving KC) all we can do is wish him well and thank him for his service.

Bowe is more valuable to this franchise than Brandon Carr........especially after signing Routt. Carr is a fringe top 10 player at his position and Bowe had 1159 receiving yards with Matt Cassel, Tyler Palko, and Kyle Orton throwing him the ****ing ball!! JFC I don't get the debate on this topic guys......

Keeping the franchise tag powder dry is the smart thing to do, though. You have to give it up for Pioli for that. Right now, neither Bowe nor Carr know who might get the tag. If either one of their agents blinks, it's all over and we can keep them both. That is my hope, anyhow.

The way I look at it, if Bowe is truly a #1 receiver (in Pioli's squinty eyes), we would have to pay him - or somebody very much like him - #1 money. That's just a given in the league. Which means, of course, that we should be able to strike a reasonable deal (assuming that Bowe even wants to stay with the Chiefs), then use the tag on Carr. If we can't, Routt is our hole card.

The question right now is whether or not Bowe wants to continue playing with a quarterback the caliber of Cassel ... and that's a real good question.

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Originally Posted by GoHuge39 (Post 8400997)

I realize that you can't always get that value, but in this case we could have and may still. The point here is that Bowe is worth more to us than anyone else, and we should never have to use the tag on him. Just come to an agreement and make the deal. Put the tag on Carr because we can't keep him and get a pick for losing him. I'm not saying use the tag on Carr and cut Bowe. That would be full reerun.

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Originally Posted by Brianfo (Post 8400756)

reerun post of the year.

You can call the post reeruned or offer up some type of factual information to back up your claim I am wrong.

You are entitled to your opinion but so am I and I know what I saw this year and distinctly remember seeing things that made me wonder what was up with his play.

Did I say he sucked and I didn't want him back? Did I say he was a bad CB? No I said I think he took a step back from 2010 and well there is statistical analysis to back it up.

But just call it a reeruned post because you are so objective.

Funny thing is look back at the beginning of the season on threads here, and you would see people with the same concerns.

Obviously.

This is the whole reason for Routt. If KC gets into a bidding war with Dallas, he'll end up the highest paid CB in the league. Dallas has been eyeing him all offseason like that seedy guy checking out your girl.

Pioli & Crennel knew all along they weren't gonna be able to resign Carr.

By giving us lip service they won't look so bad when they say we tried to sign him but we just couldn't match what he was being offered in FA.

I won't be too sad to see Carr leave. I love him as a player, but Routt is pretty good in press coverage. I'm expecting our pass rush to be pretty effective this coming season between Hali and Houston (who won't be splitting valuable snaps with Studebaker).

I only hope that Lewis is actually pretty decent and he wasn't just a product of Carr being such a beast. If Kendrick is as good as I think he is (which is a pretty good center fielder), we won't really see the drop off from Carr to Routt. If all else fails, Eric Berry will come back to ease my fears...

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8400891)

I hate to say it, but Pioli may have made a smart move signing Routt.

Why do you hate to say it?

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 8401126)

I think we'll see a drop-off in that position. I have a hard time believing that Routt will play as well or as consistently as Carr will this season. I've seen nothing but improvement in Carr since he came on board. Plus, he's a warrior. He will play through pain.

However, your points regarding Houston, Lewis, and Berry are well taken, Mr. ThaVirus. I agree with you. Given those changes, it's perfectly reasonable to anticipate overall improvement in the secondary due to a more effective rush and better safety play.

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stanford routt =/= ray crockett

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 8401143)

Why do you hate to say it?

Pioli hate :)

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Originally Posted by rtmike (Post 8401053)

Pioli & Crennel knew all along they weren't gonna be able to resign Carr.

By giving us lip service they won't look so bad when they say we tried to sign him but we just couldn't match what he was being offered in FA.

And that isn't necessarily lip service..........just a fact.

I think with Carr gone and Routt replacing him and Berry being back our secondary will be overall much improved over this year. Berry changes EVERYTHING and this will be a non-topic come game 1. We'll see Carr wasn't all that and given our many other defencies giving him more than Routt money doesn't make any sense for this team going forward.

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8400883)

If Carr gets that type of money, it was a good move letting him go.

How? We could give Bowe and Carr both 20 million this year and still have 25 million in cap room.

The unfortunate thing is it appears Routt's contract is structered in a way that it could be terminated after a single year and be both cheap and cap friendly.

If the Chiefs were able to tag Carr, they would be in a solid position to get 1 year with both CBs before making a decision on which to keep.

It could have come together nicely if they were able to get Bowe signed.