Orton has played with inferior talent.

No one can legitimately sit there, watch these two players over the last three seasons, and come to the conclusion they are the same.

One can run a pass-first offense. One can't.

They're not remotely the same.

Orton has more pure throwing talent. WooHoo!

Much as I hate it, I agree with Clay here.



Orton would have made this team a for sure playoff team with a chance to make a little noise.

Yep :thumb:

The Denver game holds no water. Cassel didn't even play and neither did Charles or Moeaki. Winston, Hillis, Boss, and a Baldwin with camp are on the team now and that makes a big difference.

The Green Bay game holds no water either. How many TD's did Orton throw? Pretty sure he threw 300 yards on a pathetic pass defense that couldn't get any pressure on the QB. At all.

Bowe is gonna hurt, but it's not like he's the end all.

If we can get a 1st for him, do it. Trade that mother****er so we can get Tyler Bray!

And we won because he kept the offense moving and the defense off the field.

Something Matt Cassel can't do, even against shit teams like Denver.

Cassel would not have won that game.

I was impressed with Orton's performance as a week's old Chief beating the undefeated Champion GB Packers.

He's a pure passer type QB that has been careless with the ball in the NFL. He was able to march the lowly Bear offense up and down the field but threw too many INT's in the zone.

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!


Who cares you play, but a loss is a loss.

Lies. Cassel is awesome against shitty defenses. He would have at least gotten a TD.

Isn't that the idea?

No, the idea is to make plays in the clutch and win games. Both of these guys are mediocre at best.

One while throwing to Randy Moss, Wes Welker and Dwayne Bowe.



The other while throwing to.......shit who has Orton had to throw to?

Yep, who cares that he's one of the worst QBs in the league when it comes to 3rd down conversion and red zone %? Everyone knows it's yards that win games.

And he's had exactly who to throw to in the red zone and on third down?

Brandon Marshall. Muhsim Muhammad, Bernard Berrian