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BossChief 11-01-2012 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9071632)
That may have been true 30 years ago but it's not true today. College QB's no longer need a year or two on the bench to get up to the NFL's speed of play.

You're seeing it more and more with guys like Flacco, Rothlisberger, Rivers, Manning, Newton, Dalton, Luck, Griffen, Tannehill and so on.

That trend will only continue, not get worse.
Yup. The importance of the sport in general has grown by leaps and bounds over the last 25 years to the point where athletes that used to play baseball and basketball are identified earlier and earlier as football prospects and more specifically quarterbacks, receivers, corners and tight ends.

It's also how the college game and pro game is now played. A "spread" used to be a gimmick where now it's almost a base package and a big part of a pro offense. It also has a lot to do with the rule changes over the last few years as well, that is probably the actual catalyst of the new NFL. Quarterbacks used to be graded much higher if they were from a pro set offense, and still are to a degree, but that is lessening the more the wide open passing game runs the NFL.

MahiMike 11-01-2012 03:39 PM
Suck for Luck?

BossChief 11-01-2012 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 9072024)
Suck for Luck?
Zip it, traitor.

Titty Meat 11-01-2012 03:54 PM
There's 3 maybe 4 QB's in this draft who can be elite. **** these guys.

saphojunkie 11-01-2012 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants (Post 9071804)
If you watch the tape, you wouldn't have to take their word for it. There will be alot more people saying it soon enough.
Like they said about Matt Ryan, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Stafford, Andy Dalton, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, and Joe Flacco? All of who are capable of leading a team to a super bowl?

Or do you mean like they said about Jamarcus Russel, Vince Young, Ryan Leaf, Sam Bradford, and Alex Smith?

There are MAYBE six "elite" QB in the NFL, and only TWO of them - the Mannings - were the #1 guy coming out of college and "sure fire" picks.

There are, however, around 12-14 QB that are upper echelon and capable of LEADING a team to a Super Bowl. Nearly all of them were picked in the first 35 and had knocks on them coming out of college.

SHUT. YOUR. STUPID. MOUTH.

saphojunkie 11-01-2012 03:59 PM
P. Manning - #1
E. Manning - #1
D. Brees - #32 (pay attention here, because that's a first round pick this year)
Rodgers - #24
Roethlisberger - #8
Ryan - #3
Flacco - #18
Dalton - #35

You got any more names you think belong at the top?

How about...

Luck #1
RG3 #2
Rivers #4
Cutler #11
Smith #1

Any other teams you think have a chance to win the super bowl?

And so help me god, if someone says Brady or Montana...

vailpass 11-01-2012 04:03 PM
There may be teams that have the luxury of holding off on using a high pick to draft a QB this year in hopes of there being a better QB draft class in the future.

KC is not one of those teams.

Over-Head 11-01-2012 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 9071021)
On Jamarcus Russell


"JaMarcus Russell is going to immediately energize that fanbase, that football team -- on the practice field, in that locker room," ESPN's Mel Kiper said at the time. "Three years from now you could be looking at a guy that's certainly one of the elite top five quarterbacks in this league. ...You're talking about a 2-3 year period once he's under center. Look out because the skill level that he has is certainly John Elway-like."

Todd McShay's comments:
"I can't remember being in such awe of a quarterback in my decade of attending combines and pro days. Russell's passing session was the most impressive of all the pro days I've been to. His footwork for such a big quarterback was surprising. He was nimble in his dropbacks, rolling out and throwing on the run. The ball just explodes out of his hands."

And we bought it hook line and sinker :shake::banghead:

Over-Head 11-01-2012 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 9072088)
Like they said about Matt Ryan, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Stafford, Andy Dalton, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, and Joe Flacco? All of who are capable of leading a team to a super bowl?

Or do you mean like they said about Jamarcus Russel, Vince Young, Ryan Leaf, Sam Bradford, and Alex Smith?

There are MAYBE six "elite" QB in the NFL, and only TWO of them - the Mannings - were the #1 guy coming out of college and "sure fire" picks.

There are, however, around 12-14 QB that are upper echelon and capable of LEADING a team to a Super Bowl. Nearly all of them were picked in the first 35 and had knocks on them coming out of college.

SHUT. YOUR. STUPID. MOUTH.
Finally some one who gets it.:clap:

R8RFAN 11-01-2012 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Over-Head (Post 9072112)
And we bought it hook line and sinker :shake::banghead:
Yup we sure did but so did most of the so called experts

RealSNR 11-01-2012 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9072108)
There may be teams that have the luxury of holding off on using a high pick to draft a QB this year in hopes of there being a better QB draft class in the future.

KC is not one of those teams.
And that's just insane thinking. That's like folding with pocket 9s in Texas Hold'em when the entire table has checked before the flop. Smith, Barkley, and Wilson collectively form a very strong class of QBs. In terms of prospects, that is; we have no idea how this class or other classes will fare in the end. But right now I'd rank 2013's better than anything to come out in the last 10 years except for 2012's (Luck, RGIII) and 2004's (Manning, Rivers, Roethlisberger).

If teams want a stronger class than THAT, they're thinking like the Chiefs. And that's not a good way to think.

vailpass 11-01-2012 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9072123)
And that's just insane thinking. That's like folding with pocket 9s in Texas Hold'em when the entire table has checked before the flop. Smith, Barkley, and Wilson collectively form a very strong class of QBs. In terms of prospects, that is; we have no idea how this class or other classes will fare in the end. But right now I'd rank 2013's better than anything to come out in the last 10 years except for 2012's (Luck, RGIII) and 2004's (Manning, Rivers, Roethlisberger).

If teams want a stronger class than THAT, they're thinking like the Chiefs. And that's not a good way to think.
It isn't insane if a team isn't desperate and if their personnel people don't assess any QB in this year's draft as worth their highest pick.

What would be insane is for KC not to finally dive in and take a chance. Your overzealous hyperbole related to the ranking of this year's draft class notwithstanding, KC has nothing to lose and everything to gain by dropping their #1 on a QB.

RealSNR 11-01-2012 04:15 PM
I can't remember which Horseman of the Apocasselypse said this:

"If you don't yet have a franchise QB, and are in a position to draft one, you take the QB EVERY SINGLE TIME. No exceptions."

This is absolutely true. Manti T'eo (or wherever the **** you put the apostrophe) could be a genetically engineered mutant who shits marble and can rack up 200 tackles and 20 INTs every season. Does not ****ing matter. If he can't throw the football like a QB, I don't want to ****ing hear it.

If you're the Chiefs, Jets, Bills, Jags, Browns, Cards, or ANY team that does not have a true franchise QB, you say "Good luck, Manti" and pass on him. Take the QB. All the time. Every time.

vailpass 11-01-2012 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9072135)
I can't remember which Horseman of the Apocasselypse said this:

"If you don't yet have a franchise QB, and are in a position to draft one, you take the QB EVERY SINGLE TIME. No exceptions."

This is absolutely true. Manti T'eo (or wherever the **** you put the apostrophe) could be a genetically engineered mutant who shits marble and can rack up 200 tackles and 20 INTs every season. Does not ****ing matter. If he can't throw the football like a QB, I don't want to ****ing hear it.

If you're the Chiefs, Jets, Bills, Jags, Browns, Cards, or ANY team that does not have a true franchise QB, you say "Good luck, Manti" and pass on him. Take the QB. All the time. Every time.
Fact.

RealSNR 11-01-2012 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9072132)
It isn't insane if a team isn't desperate and if their personnel people don't assess any QB in this year's draft as worth their highest pick.

What would be insane is for KC not to finally dive in and take a chance. Your overzealous hyperbole related to the ranking of this year's draft class notwithstanding, KC has nothing to lose and everything to gain by dropping their #1 on a QB.
Every team's in that position who does not have a franchise QB, gigglebutt. It's why it's so important that KC gets the #1 overall pick. If we didn't and a team like Carolina got it instead, you can bet your ass that other teams like the Jets are going to ignore Manti Te'o or Jarvis Jones. They're going to be thinking QB this year. And they would absolutely trade up to that #1 spot and nudge us out.

Are you really telling me that there are plenty of QB draft classes better than 2013's? I named you a whopping TWO. Give me as many as you can think of. Then tell me the odds that those teams that are "rationally" passing on a QB this year will be rewarded in future drafts when they are in the right position at the right time to take a QB in this ordinary QB class that's sooo much better than 2013's.


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