Grudens
Holmgren
Cowher
Reid
David shaw

While I'm not a huge fan of retreads, we are talking about super bowl coaches against a guy passed over for 30 years who happened to have an impressive season against a pattycake schedule. He deserves coach of the year. I care more about which coach builds the best team for year 3. It's amazing to me that he's hyped to the point where he is in the same conversation as those guys.

Why is Shaw in that group?
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I'm not huge on Chip Kelly, if I'm getting a college guy, i'd be Shaw.

My belief is that Arians is a perfect fit for the Chiefs since we will be drafting a QB #1.

Besides he got his NFL coaching career started in KC.

Well if the issue with Pioli is due to the lawsuits and money ect, it might not be that hard to convince a coach that Pioli won't be in the picture. Assuming that is why Pioli is still around.

His experience is with quarterbacks who were unbelievably gifted before they stepped foot in his office. And he is a known players coach. He is going to become a smarter slightly tougher version of norv turner. In fact, the best comparison is Rex Ryan. Ryan is a guy players love, but he cannot give players the tough love they need.

He has a terrific resume. Has been quality control, coordinator for a successful offense, and head coach. Unlike Arians, he has not been repeatedly overlooked for head coaching positions. Just my opinion, but shaw is a much better hire than Arians.

lol I thought you were playing one of these is not like the others.

He doesn't belong with those other coaches.
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I'm pretty sure Shaw sees Stanford as a destination job. But I'd still kick the tires. This guy played under Walsh and coached under some great guys. He has NFL experience and his dad coached in KC once.

I'm not sure what you're getting at. I was one of Romeo's few critics this offseason. And on all the reasons I gave for why, I was spot on. Go ahead and look it up in the thread.

You said Romeo woulnd't change his philosophies and that coaches don't change, yet you want to hire Gruden based on the fact that he's going to change his offensive philosophies.

I wasn't critical of Romeos scheme. I was critical of the fact that soft players coaches don't toughen up overnight. I was dead right.

I never said coaches don't change. Bellichick is a great example of a coach whose scheme has changed impressively over time. Tomlin adjusted from Tampa 2 to labeaus zone blitz 3-4. But as you get older and more experienced with the scheme, we see coaches very often stick with old tricks. Reid is going to run west coast. We know that. Cowher will run zone blitz 3-4. We know that. Gruden is an exception because he isn't paying lip service. He studied for a full week boot camp with chip Kelly to learn his offense and has directly said when talking scheme he believes the game is shifting to a passing league. You can't read up in grudens study of the spread and not think his scheme will be totally different.

Again, I'm not all up in arms for hiring someone based on what he says he wants to CHANGE too.


I'm hiring someone based on what he's done.

I don't care what kind of coach he is as long as he wins and IMO it is a plus he has mentored and worked with QB's drafted in the first round.

The argument NOBODY brings up about Gruden is that the bucs traded 2 first round picks AND two second round picks for him. Give the guy those picks back and he not only wins one SB there...but probably competes for more.