Geno is definitely the better thrower. His mechanics are far better.

I'm just saying that I really do believe EJ Manuel will be in the mix. The kid has potential and Reid is good at making QB's look so much better. Manuel is very raw, but so was Donovan.

If we did draft Manuel, then I see Reid using a very similar offense that Ratty used with RG3 last year.
That's Manuel's best fit IMO. Plus he won't break because he actually has the body to take hits unlike RG3.

I would assume this conversation is over now, right?

Take Vick out of the equation, and you're looking at a 20-28 record (.416) and a 61:64 TD:INT ratio.

Played well in Reid's system, alright.

Donovan had accuracy issues coming out because he liked to throw the ball deep.

Manuel struggles to complete short passes. His offense was largely dink and dunk and he STILL wasn't very good.

He'll NEVER be RG3. So you can put that to bed right now.

So we can't find a QB to do the job in the 1st round...

but we can find one who will be able to later in the draft?

Soren Petro just had an epiphany. I almost wonder if he hasn't been secretly wanting Barkley all along but was just afraid he'd look stupid by declaring himself.

He flat out said these teams are playing opossum and there's NO WAY that Locker and Gabbert would be the #1/#2 QBs in this draft.

It's about damn time Petro.

The offense Ratty ran is basically the same offense he's ran forever, with a few changes, basically making it a single read offense for RGIII's first season. In reality, it wasn't a huge change to what he's always done, Rat that is.

Reid is going to run the offense he's always ran, coaches rarely change. He can simplify it yes, but it's still going to be WCO oriented.

Manuel does have alot of physical upside, but liek we've talked before, I just don't see him ever being that accurate of a passer. He is similar to McNabb in that case, that I don't see Donovan as an extremely accurate guy, but Reid got alot out of him.

But Manuel isn't really close to McNabb as a passer at this point, so we'll just ahve to disagree on that one.

You know what's ****ing stupid?

If we traded down to, say, pick number six and got an extra third round pick in 2014 for our troubles, THEN took Geno Smith, everyone would say "Herp derp you see they got better value!"

Not one single talking head would say the Chiefs overdrafted. They just have an anti-hard-on for taking a guy at #1. #2? Sure thing! You bet! #1? Go **** a puppy.

According to secondroundstats, Manuel's short and intermediate passes were actually very good. He was very accurate in that area. He struggled going 20+ yards though.

Manuel will never be RG3 and I'm sorry if it seemed like I was saying he was. :eek:

I just think the style of offense that Ratty ran last year with RG3 would be the best fit for Manuel.
I really do believe Manuel could excel in that type of offense.

He may very well be, but I don't see Reid running that offense here.

Except there are deep throws in that offense that Manuel can't make.

And while I didn't see Manuel play in every game this season, I saw probably 6 or 7. He was pretty bad.

I am curious who you think are the QB gurus in the league.

Manuel completed 73% of his passes in the 11-20 yard range. Only RG3 had better accuracy in that range in the last two classes.

His 6-10 yard accuracy was the best of any QB in the last two classes as well. Better than Luck, RG3 and Wilson.

http://secondroundstats.com/2013/02/...outing-report/

He's very good throwing the short and intermediate balls.

How is Manuel's arm strength?

Is he smart...?

Pick #1 is worth 3000 points.

Pick #6 is worth 1600 points.

We damn well better get more than a 3rd rounder in 2014 for our troubles.

But I get your point.