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RealSNR 02-23-2013 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 9428461)
You said I argued EJ was one of the top prospects in this draft. Where did I do that?

Do you think Geno Smith is one of the top prospects in this class of QBs?

Cannibal 02-23-2013 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 9428493)
I don't think their run stats are/were close. EJ had around 300 yards rushing and Kap had about 1300 his SR year.

Ah OK. Keep seeing people indicating Manuel would be a good pistol/spread option QB. Perhaps that is unfounded.

Chiefnj2 02-23-2013 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9428495)
Do you think Geno Smith is one of the top prospects in this class of QBs?

Yes

Cannibal 02-23-2013 01:52 PM

Reid isn't going switch to the pistol anyway

RealSNR 02-23-2013 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 9428501)
Yes

So why are you posting all of these EJ Manuel stats that compare him favorably to Smith?

Chiefnj2 02-23-2013 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannibal (Post 9428500)
Ah OK. Keep seeing people indicating Manuel would be a good pistol/spread option QB. Perhaps that is unfounded.

I think people say that because everyone else is strictly a pocket passer and EJ has some ability to scramble.

Chiefnj2 02-23-2013 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9428509)
So why are you posting all of these EJ Manuel stats that compare him favorably to Smith?

To attempt to educate people making claims like EJ couldn't move the chains and I like Smith but don't like EJ because EJ has a crap long ball.

htismaqe 02-23-2013 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 9428511)
I think people say that because everyone else is strictly a pocket passer and EJ has some ability to scramble.

He doesn't just have the ability to scramble. He can flat out run.

htismaqe 02-23-2013 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 9428516)
To attempt to educate people making claims like EJ couldn't move the chains and I like Smith but don't like EJ because EJ has a crap long ball.

Way to WAY oversimplify the argument. :clap:

DaKCMan AP 02-23-2013 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannibal (Post 9428471)
How does Manuel compare to Colin Kaepernick? Is that a valid comparison?

They both run really well and had concerns about accuracy?

Not comparable at all. Kaep has a stronger, more accurate arm, more touch on his passes, makes better reads, and is a better runner. Manuel isn't as fast or elusive as Kaep. I liked Kaepernick in 2011 (took him in the 2nd rd of the CP mock). Manuel won't amount to anything, IMO. As I've stated over and over and over.

To me his ceiling - which I don't think he'll ever reach - is Aaron Brooks.

Cannibal 02-23-2013 02:13 PM

Overview
Once considered the top recruit out of high school, Manuel will be one of the more debated quarterback prospects between now and next April.
After redshirting in 2008, he made several starts as a freshman and sophomore in relief of an oft-injured Christian Ponder, recording a 4-2 record as a starter. Manuel became the full-time starter last season, starting all but one game and finishing second in the ACC with a 65.3% completion mark. He had only 18 scores through the air, but also threw just eight interceptions, including none over the last five games (121 straight passes).

A potential Heisman candidate entering 2012, Manuel put up big statistics but did not perform well in the Seminoles' marquee game - a home loss to in-state rival Florida.

Manuel is a likely candidate to be overdrafted next April because of his intriguing physical tools.

Analysis
The Virginia native passes the eye test with a tall, strong frame and the arm strength to spin the ball downfield. He has the legs to extend and make plays.
Manuel is an intriuging NFL prospect because of his raw physical and athletic tools, but will need to prove to NFL scouts that he is just as talented with the mental part of the game before he is labeled as a top 50 prospect.

Manuel made poor decisions throwing into coverage and failed to see the entire field on several downfield passes if FSU's Nov. 24 loss to Florida, something that has plagued him throughout his career. He routinely held the ball too long in the pocket and seemed rattled by pressure, creating much concern among NFL teams about his ability to quickly read the defense, process and anticipate open windows.

On a good note, Manuel showed off his outstanding arm strength and athleticism, flashing the footwork and agility to avoid the rush and pick up big chunks of yards with his legs. But he will need a strong showing during Senior Bowl week to help his draft stock.

--Dane Brugler

Cannibal 02-23-2013 02:14 PM

Latest News
02/20/2013 - 2013 NFL Combine, Workout warriors: While most of Florida State quarterback EJ Manuel's issues are mental and in regards to his decision-making, he is an outstanding athlete for his size (6-foot-4, 237) with quick feet to evade pressure and the long-striding speed to out-run defenders downfield. He should perform well in the 40 and other drills. - Dane Brugler, NFLDraftScout.com

RunKC 02-23-2013 02:19 PM

EJ is pretty confident. Says he's best QB in the class.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...ories=obinsite

Cannibal 02-23-2013 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9428574)
EJ is pretty confident. Says he's best QB in the class.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...ories=obinsite

From the article:

"I don't think I have to be Colin Kaepernick. I don't have to be Russell Wilson. I can be E.J. Manuel. But I do see a lot of my abilities in those guys. When I saw those guys having success this year, it gave me a lot more confidence going into the draft," he said.

"Knowing that that kind of quarterback — a guy who can run and throw, not necessarily run first, but who can throw the ball and also have that run threat — it's more accepted now. Whereas five or 10 years ago, it really wasn't accepted. And you definitely didn't want to act like you run. You just wanted to sit in the pocket the whole time. Now, it's more embraced as a quarterback."

Setsuna 02-23-2013 02:44 PM

He still sucks to high heaven. Anyone else who doesn't agree needs to remove themselves from society.


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