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Rasputin 05-26-2013 09:58 PM

This is the first year in many years I'm really trying to give a **** and watch them this year. I've missed a lot of baseball and want to enjoy the game again. I want the Royals to give me a reason to give a **** so that I can enjoy watching them play.

alnorth 05-26-2013 09:59 PM

Just so I'm clear, I don't think Ned is a great manager. Not awful either, but not great. I'm kinda irritated with the teflon status that every GM seems to have in baseball.

Fans of every team massively overrate the importance of the baseball manager, which in and of itself isn't bad unless it leads to people wanting a meaningless manager firing while not saying hardly anything about the GM.

Mama Hip Rockets 05-26-2013 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 9711741)
You have got to be kidding me.

There is nothing, whatsoever, wrong with this behavior.

For arguably the first time in my life, I agree with Pete here. When you've lost 90% of your games this month, you need to stop acting like you've one the World Series every time you hit a single.

petegz28 05-26-2013 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 9711758)
You were talking about "leadership", which is kinda vague hand-wavy nonsense to me.

If we're talking about game decisions, then we're back to, at most, a fraction of one expected loss that you can probably pin on Ned.

Yost may not be "the reason" we have lost some of these games. But he certainly has made some less than good decisions that pushed the odds extremely against us winning. How is that?

I mean, he sends up Moore instead of Tejada today. Would Tejada have come through for sure? We can't say. Does Tejada have a better chance at pinch hitting in a pressure situation than a kid who hasn't seen 1 ML pitch this season? Most certainly.

What did Yost do? Went with the decision that put the odds against us in a major way.

lewdog 05-26-2013 10:00 PM

So al, are Hoz and Moose busts at this point? Are they just not good like we thought they would be?

Can they develop into real MLB players and what will it take for them to get better?

alnorth 05-26-2013 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 9711766)
For arguably the first time in my life, I agree with Pete here. When you've lost 90% of your games this month, you need to stop acting like you've one the World Series every time you hit a single.

So, which is it. Do we need the players, who are apparently fragile and need encouragement, to encourage each other every time they have some success, or not?

I don't care either way, but I don't think it means a damned thing in terms of wins and losses.

petegz28 05-26-2013 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 9711766)
For arguably the first time in my life, I agree with Pete here. When you've lost 90% of your games this month, you need to stop acting like you've one the World Series every time you hit a single.

I was telling Wife at dinner tonight how stupid it looks when you're losing your 5th game in a row, you can't get more than an infield hit and when you find your way on base you start giving little hand signals like you just did something great!

Like Marcus Allen always said, "act like you've been there before"

Stanley Nickels 05-26-2013 10:03 PM

al, I posted as much to you in a rep message, but it's a ****ing great change of pace to have civil disagreements here. I hate the personal route that 99% of the tiffs seem to take on CP. Mostly, thats because I suck at insults :D

alnorth 05-26-2013 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 9711767)
But he certainly has made some less than good decisions that pushed the odds extremely against us winning.

I wouldn't say extremely, or we'd be at several expected losses, which just isn't the case.

petegz28 05-26-2013 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 9711770)
So, which is it. Do we need the players, who are apparently fragile and need encouragement, to encourage each other every time they have some success, or not?

I don't care either way, but I don't think it means a damned thing in terms of wins and losses.

You can encourage each other in ways that doesn't make you look like a douche in the process.


You hit a single...ok ..so you look back at the dugout and clap your hands and say "let's go". You don't wave your hand in front of your face like you just hit a 450ft jack or something.

And what's embarrassing is when they do their little hand signals the other team is probably just laughing and pointing at the scoreboard and standings.

alnorth 05-26-2013 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 9711768)
So al, are Hoz and Moose busts at this point? Are they just not good like we thought they would be?

Can they develop into real MLB players and what will it take for them to get better?

I don't know. The odds are that at least one of them is a bust. If the other takes the Alex Gordon development timeline, then we'll lose our pitching before they come around.

alnorth 05-26-2013 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Stanley Nickels (Post 9711774)
al, I posted as much to you in a rep message, but it's a ****ing great change of pace to have civil disagreements here. I hate the personal route that 99% of the tiffs seem to take on CP. Mostly, thats because I suck at insults :D

No problem, I'm pretty aggressive with the ignore button so I don't really get into insult/flame-wars.

petegz28 05-26-2013 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 9711775)
I wouldn't say extremely, or we'd be at several expected losses, which just isn't the case.

I'd expect us to lose less if he made better decisions. How is that?

Demonpenz 05-26-2013 10:06 PM

Hosmers swing is sooooo long but he seems to have it better mentally, moose has a better looking swing, but his head is dumb

petegz28 05-26-2013 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 9711777)
I don't know. The odds are that at least one of them is a bust. If the other takes the Alex Gordon development timeline, then we'll lose our pitching before they come around.

So when Seitzer told Yost we were still 2-3 years out of being a power team was firing Seitzer and insisting on more power a good decision?


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