Plus another significant difference between Cain and Lough is the rate of K's. If Lough's OBP drops as a result of Avg as Deez claims, but he is maintaining a 15% clip at K's then he is most likely still moving runners where Cain who K's 25% of the time would not be. You already have a person who K's at a 25% clip in Gordon in the top 3 but he can offset that because he is a great hitter. Cain is not a great hitter so sticking 2 guys who K at a 25% clip in the top 3 as opposed to 2 guys at a 15% clip in Lough and Hosmer is not a good idea, imo.

If I didn't care about base-clogging:
1) Gordon
2) Butler
3) Teh Hos
4) Salvy
5) Lough
6) Cain
7) Moose
8) Someguyat2B
9) Esky

If you want a mix old school and new school I think at this point you still end up with Lough at #2 or #1. Can Hosmer steal if Gordon gets out? Yes but not ideal. Can Lough steal if Gordon gets out? Better chance than Hos.

Plus the power is there in Hosmer should Gordon and\or Lough get on. And you have the pitcher throwing to a good bat with 2 good runners on base and no outs...I like that situation a lot more than say Butler at the #3 and Hosmer #2.

Base clogging? Are you just trying to piss me off now? lol.

Regarding Cain, I think he sucks. Takes a shitty approach and misses a shit ton of highly hittable pitches.

pete, you want Lough to be something he's not (as in, not a 4th outfielder).

Every one of our players this year has had a shitty approach. At some point, you have to look at the player development.

Also:

Yes. :fire:

Oh no no no no no. I never said he was anything more. But on this team, right now, he is our person in RF.

Sort of off topic...but has Brett agreed to stay with the team the rest of the season? When he started he said it was just for a month or two.

Got it. That's fair.

LMAO.

This thread is so depressing. 28 years. Sigh.

Sounds like 8 of the 9 guys.

Royals don't know how to win when it counts.

Coincidence that I am turning 28 this year?

Nope. I stopped going to church a while ago too. Here's my punishment.

I lay that at the feet of Yost. A team always reflects their manager. I remember Vermeil always telling the media...."we'll play anyone, anytime, any where. We'll go out an play in the parking lot right now if you want".

It's an attitude. The Royals need some of that mentality at the top.