Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 12521001)

Millennials do not believe in free speech.

Millennials believe in socialism.

Originally Posted by Fishpicker (Post 12521198)

this is a big problem that alienates Millenials to a lot of older people.

Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 12521124)

I love that companies wonder there is not more loyalty to them.

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 12521104)

Young people can see that they aren't getting the same deal their parents got. College costs are high, student debt is out of control. And sure you don't have to go that route, but then what do you do with your life? Most professional jobs require a college degree. And we're to the point even that won't always save you. Work at a fast food place? People will say those aren't long term jobs and aren't supposed to offer a living wage. Work at a factory? Those jobs are being shipped overseas more and more. Retirement pensions aren't what they used to be. Social Security is no guarantee at this point. Health care costs will continue to go up. CEO pay is fairly significant.

Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 12520979)

Can you tell me where they hurt you?

https://img1.etsystatic.com/038/1/53...55107_nnrl.jpg

Originally Posted by rambleonthruthefog (Post 12521609)

The economy in almost uncountable ways
The environment
Foreign policy
And the list goes on

Look, all baby boomers aren't bad people. I'm just saying you were given the keys to the corvette and you crashed it into a ****#ng tree. The best solutions you have to offer are the two worst solutions. Typical baby boomer sh*t. Your generation failed and in true baby boomer fashion lack any accountability for your suckiness

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 12521104)

I've said this before, maybe over in the political forum... but that's why Bernie was such a hit. I believe there could very well be a socialist leaning President in my lifetime at this point, which sounds crazy.

Young people can see that they aren't getting the same deal their parents got. College costs are high, student debt is out of control. And sure you don't have to go that route, but then what do you do with your life? Most professional jobs require a college degree. And we're to the point even that won't always save you. Work at a fast food place? People will say those aren't long term jobs and aren't supposed to offer a living wage. Work at a factory? Those jobs are being shipped overseas more and more. Retirement pensions aren't what they used to be. Social Security is no guarantee at this point. Health care costs will continue to go up. CEO pay is fairly significant.

Millennials are the ones feeling the effects of what essentially is the Wal-Mart generation. The free market system is a great thing, but it does require some benevolence by the job creators. Or, it requires significant competition in a field so that employers are forced to provide great benefits to attract great employees and keep up with the competition.

Do you really think those things are as true as they used to be? America is run by more and more large corporations, there is more consolidation of major companies. Department stores, airlines, cable companies, on and on. Which in theory doesn't have to be a bad thing, but somewhere along the way the mom and pop 1950s turned into the Wal-Mart 1980s.

I don't really think it's all bad yet. It's not like we're at the end of the world, but if we get down the road and things get worse, you might have a generation who votes for a socialist because at least they think they'll get something out of the deal.

Edit: And to be super, super clear, I'm not saying that's "right" at all. But just like anything else, when one group of people see what another group before them got, they're going to want the same thing, or something even better. Doesn't matter what it is.

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 12521149)

Milly's care much more about feelings and being offended than X'ers or Boomers.



To be fair this is probably the worst time to have to look for employment in my life. When I was laid off about 7 years ago was the first time I'd gone to an interview and didn't get the job (if I wanted it.) Factory jobs didn't want me because I had 4 years of college. State jobs either required a degree that was specific to the field or years of experience. I can understand the frustration.

On the other hand with the internet and social media there are other opportunities open. Networking and making contacts is easier now. Finding job openings and applying is easier. College is even online now.

I really don't know who has it better or worse. It's like 3 people with 3 guitars and each has different strings out of tune. None of them sound great but which sounds worse depends on who's holding what guitar...

Originally Posted by rockymtnchief (Post 12521600)

I agree that many aren't getting the same deal as their parents in professional jobs. However, many parents didn't go to college and did quite fine in trade areas. Which, IMO, is one of the problems.

Many, not all, kids are being taught that college is the only way to get ahead or you're stuck working at Wendys or Arbys.

Trades are still very strong in this country and pay above average incomes with good benefits. Kids just need to have someone steer them in that direction. I've taken three kids under my wing in the last ten years. One went to welding school and now makes over $100,000 per year, two went to linemen school. One makes $80,000 per year and can retire at 55, the other is a 3rd year apprentice making $30.00 an hour and can also retire at 55. The second will be at $37.00 an hour in two more years.

I also know a couple more who work in trades making $50,000+ a year as stone/tile workers, electricians. If I made that much at age 25, I'd be ecstatic.

I think too many people put a stigma on people that work with their hands, get dirty, work outside, wear coveralls to work, etc... and it turns kids off.

Anyway, we've hired two millenials in the last two years and both have been sharp, hard working and don't whine about the world. One is the son of a lineman and the other is the son of a carpenter. College was an option for both, but they like working outside.

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 12521104)

I've said this before, maybe over in the political forum... but that's why Bernie was such a hit. I believe there could very well be a socialist leaning President in my lifetime at this point, which sounds crazy.

Young people can see that they aren't getting the same deal their parents got. College costs are high, student debt is out of control. And sure you don't have to go that route, but then what do you do with your life? Most professional jobs require a college degree. And we're to the point even that won't always save you. Work at a fast food place? People will say those aren't long term jobs and aren't supposed to offer a living wage. Work at a factory? Those jobs are being shipped overseas more and more. Retirement pensions aren't what they used to be. Social Security is no guarantee at this point. Health care costs will continue to go up. CEO pay is fairly significant.

Millennials are the ones feeling the effects of what essentially is the Wal-Mart generation. The free market system is a great thing, but it does require some benevolence by the job creators. Or, it requires significant competition in a field so that employers are forced to provide great benefits to attract great employees and keep up with the competition.

Do you really think those things are as true as they used to be? America is run by more and more large corporations, there is more consolidation of major companies. Department stores, airlines, cable companies, on and on. Which in theory doesn't have to be a bad thing, but somewhere along the way the mom and pop 1950s turned into the Wal-Mart 1980s.

I don't really think it's all bad yet. It's not like we're at the end of the world, but if we get down the road and things get worse, you might have a generation who votes for a socialist because at least they think they'll get something out of the deal.

Edit: And to be super, super clear, I'm not saying that's "right" at all. But just like anything else, when one group of people see what another group before them got, they're going to want the same thing, or something even better. Doesn't matter what it is.

Originally Posted by rockymtnchief (Post 12521600)

I agree that many aren't getting the same deal as their parents in professional jobs. However, many parents didn't go to college and did quite fine in trade areas. Which, IMO, is one of the problems.

Many, not all, kids are being taught that college is the only way to get ahead or you're stuck working at Wendys or Arbys.

Trades are still very strong in this country and pay above average incomes with good benefits. Kids just need to have someone steer them in that direction. I've taken three kids under my wing in the last ten years. One went to welding school and now makes over $100,000 per year, two went to linemen school. One makes $80,000 per year and can retire at 55, the other is a 3rd year apprentice making $30.00 an hour and can also retire at 55. The second will be at $37.00 an hour in two more years.

I also know a couple more who work in trades making $50,000+ a year as stone/tile workers, electricians. If I made that much at age 25, I'd be ecstatic.

I think too many people put a stigma on people that work with their hands, get dirty, work outside, wear coveralls to work, etc... and it turns kids off.

Anyway, we've hired two millenials in the last two years and both have been sharp, hard working and don't whine about the world. One is the son of a lineman and the other is the son of a carpenter. College was an option for both, but they like working outside.

Originally Posted by underEJ (Post 12522035)

In addition to really liking my millennial team members, I have had long conversations with them about the college debate. They were sold a deal that if they get this expensive degree, then they will be able to get great jobs. In my industry, this is true to some extent, but they really start to feel the betrayal even in a tech degree field that does deliver fairly well on the promise.

They get in the door with the fancy degree and find out alot of the rest of us got here without the degree (and the associated debt that goes with it.) I am self taught for both the creative and highly technical sides of my job. This avenue was not available to them. The rise of the HR department has eliminated all of the clever routes into a position here, because the gates are guarded by people who believe the degree is important. The idea that college matriculation is akin to work experience is fed by academia and when they complete that path and start to work, it is a big shock to them.

They cannot relate to older people (45-55) who made this industry happen when there were no schools teaching it. They find it hard to get advice from us because they are looking for the matriculation and it doesn't exist here, we advocate healthy competition and promote on merit.

They want to know what steps they need to do to get the thing they want, and get disappointed when the competition beats them. They consider that unfair. I do look forward to them collectively finding a solution to what they see as unfairness. I will be listening and ready to help when they can voice the idea. I do believe they have been betrayed and if something like annual loan paydowns as a perk might help, I'm agreeable to working toward that goal. As of now, they have expressed that they want higher salaries than non-degree team members to make up for the debt issue, but our pay scales only account for experience and performance reviews. That solution isn't something we can accept.