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Hunt and Dorsey (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=308407)

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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 12929399)

So you really believe that, on his death bed, with all the things he could say to Clark, like "I love you son" or "Tell my grandkids I love them" the thing Lamar chose to say is "Don't ever draft a QB in the first"?

That is possibly the dumbest thing I've ever seen on CP, and I've seen 10 years of Clay's stupidity. And BlackOps conspiracy nut stuff.

Lamar on his death bed? Lol.

"Don't draft a QB". ROFL

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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 12929647)

No, "the Hunts tell their GMs not to draft a QB in the 1st" thing. Still coming up even AFTER we drafted a QB in the first.

Ok, so they drafted one and that changes 33 years of history. Got it.

The GM that finally got it done will be really enjoying the progress that QB makes, right!?

"Clark, who over the next few weeks will be hiring the fourth Chiefs GM in the last decade."

This is what stands out to me. At some point, you have to realize, it's not everyone else Hunt, it's you.

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Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 12929789)

"Clark, who over the next few weeks will be hiring the fourth Chiefs GM in the last decade."

This is what stands out to me. At some point, you have to realize, it's not everyone else Hunt, it's you.

Clark hired Peterson? Uh no he hired Scott the disaster and Dorsey. Actually it will be his 3rd and that's not good but sounds better than 4.

The guys on 810 always seem to hint that Dorsey is not that smart. It irked me, but maybe he was, for all his ability as a talent evaluator, getting outmaneuvered by player agents. Perhaps his best role is that of assistant GM, or head scout.

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 12929726)

Just sad as ****.

These guys were turning the next major corner and building something very special. And some people think the Chiefs are just going to plug and play another body in to that role and keep achieving the same results?

Not a chance in hell.

especially in late June like there's elite GMs just sitting at home on the couch waiting for that call 2-3 months before the season starts lol

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 12929802)

especially in late June like there's elite GMs just sitting at home on the couch waiting for that call 2-3 months before the season starts lol

Established good GMs no but there's nothing crazy about just giving it to Veech for now. Keeps continuity and things stable. No GM is leaving a good organization they are already with next season anyway. It would have to be promotional opportunity like Dorsey was.

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Originally Posted by ftballfan01 (Post 12929007)

(Owners name) told us today that he's heard that the Dorsey/Hunt relationship has really sizzled. First off, anyone like Kietzman saying anything about Mahomes is a lie. Everybody loved him and Andy knew full well that he had work to do with him, so don't believe anything about Mahomes being a factor in this decision.

The GB issue was part of this factor. Clark knows that Dorsey has friends in GB and still talks to them all the time. When this rumor came out, Clark confronted Dorsey about this in his weekly meeting with him. Dorsey reiterated that this was his dream job, but that that was something he used to want when he was in GB. Clark wasn't too happy about that but was okay with offering a deal that would show loyalty here.

Contracts were a big problem in Clark's mind, and he didn't like how we kept having these bad deals with bad cap moves. Clark was not happy at all about how the Eric Berry situation unfolded. That situation got so bad last year that Eric Berry would not speak to Dorsey. He avoided him throughout the season and didn't want to have anything to do with him for a long time. This was due to the insurance fiasco.

If it wasn't for Clark, Berry wouldn't have signed. Andy and Clark had to step in and help get that signing done bc of the animosity from Berry, his family and agent to Dorsey.

This led Clark to do a complete root cause analysis of the entire management in personnel. Normally this wouldn't happen because of the great success we've had.

It was no secret that Clark didn't like some of the contracts that were given out and the way they were formulated. Dorsey acknowledged this and fired Trip McCracken while hiring his new guy.

In regards to your question about Andy being on edge-

This was because of players missing OTA's. It's usually normal, but Eric Berry apparently told Andy he needed more time away because he was still upset about the contract drama. This led to Andy snapping at the media.

Andy and Clark were furious at Dorsey for how he handled Maclin's release. Maclin was enraged about what happened. Andy initially wanted to have a man-to-man talk about this. What happened happened and Andy called Maclin right after to talk to him.

Mark Donovan was pissed off about the bad publicity that came from Maclin's release.

Finally, Clark was okay with giving Dorsey another chance with a new cap strategist, but Dorsey wasn't pleased with the dollars he was getting. Clark was not happy about this because he had just stepped in to do Dorsey's job and sign Berry.

Adding in the contract missteps and GB drama to this situation made this easy for Clark.

Brett Veach is the obvious favorite for GM. We'll have some external candidates come in but it would have to be a slam dunk candidate to make them pass on Veach.

So it comes down to a couple of hurt feelings? Maclin should have answered his ****ing phone, he didn't he can go **** himself

Love EB but would rather have Dorsey if it came down to it. I don't blame Dorsey for the insurance fiasco. Seems like Dorsey was trying to do what was best for the franchise, not for individual players

Great managers (read owners in this case) know that sometimes you bypass overall company (team) interests in favor of employees (players). I don't know if this was the case or not, but if players feel that the team will do right by them, that often makes the difference in signing or not. There was clearly as caustic situation between Berry and Dorsey, the release of Maclin was amateurish, and then there's the GB rumors.
Somewhere between Ballard's departure and now something happened, besides money, that couldn't be forgiven. Clark isn't cheap. Clark isn't stupid. If you've ever spent any time around guys that were in the Goldman-Sachs leadership program, it's always about bottom line performance. Either you're doing your job consistent with company goals or you're gone.

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Originally Posted by oldman (Post 12929827)

Letting a safety and a linebacker and their agents help dictate actions by your coach and owner in regards to the FO is not a good look.

That would be like HaHa Clinton Dix and Clay Matthews going to Mike McCarthy and saying I am unhappy with Ted Thompson, I am not talking to him or re-signing new deals, figure it out and get rid of him.

Packers would laugh them out of the building on their first flight to any other team.

I long for the day where the Chiefs get an established franchise QB and the position players just fall in line. Mahomes can't develop fast enough.

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Originally Posted by Grim (Post 12928258)

The Chiefs gambled pretty big on Mahomes.
The Chiefs front-office folk look, pretty much, like I'd expect them to in this video. They look like a group of guys who just laid down a large bet. Nervous as hell.

Yep, good post.

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Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 12929789)

"Clark, who over the next few weeks will be hiring the fourth Chiefs GM in the last decade."

This is what stands out to me. At some point, you have to realize, it's not everyone else Hunt, it's you.

Are you saying we should have kept Carl or Pioli for consistency?

[QUOTE=Messier;12929801]The guys on 810 always seem to hint that Dorsey is not that smart. It irked me, but maybe he was, for all his ability as a talent evaluator, getting outmaneuvered by player agents. Perhaps his best role is that of assistant GM, or head scout.[/

Petro is the only person at 810 I take notice of what they have to say the rest are reactionary blowhards.

Dorsey is gone nothing we can do about it he isnt Gunther and wont have a second life here. I suspect his scouting hires will be gone soon as he goes to his next destination as it always happens. This team has always had problems with jetting loyal players long in the tooth and past the expiration date. The Hunts are loyal to a fault therefore expect the same from those they hire. Dorsey is not that guy he learned that when players start losing a step you move on and next man up. I will miss him but he was not Hunts type guy and thats business.

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 12929852)

Remember this is the organization the allowed a placekicker to dictate a coaches fate and Lamar followed up on it.

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Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 12929789)

"Clark, who over the next few weeks will be hiring the fourth Chiefs GM in the last decade."

This is what stands out to me. At some point, you have to realize, it's not everyone else Hunt, it's you.

Remember when Lamar kept the same incompetent GM for 2 decades? I'm talking about Steadman.