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chiefzilla1501 10-20-2017 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 13167091)
this team has no capable LBers to play the 43 and would get destroyed.

The 34 isnt the problem its this stupid nickel/dime package with the 6 defensive backs 50 percent of the game thats an issue.
I think we are way too reliant on it. I don't think it's stupid by any means.

GloryDayz 10-20-2017 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by CupidStunt (Post 13166838)
It's kinda unfortunate we play the Broncos. That MIGHT -- and I very much mean that -- help the defense masquerade as OK for a week, save a few jobs, disguise the reality. And then we're going to go to Dallas and give up 500 yards again. Zeke might break the rushing record on us (it must be hard for opposing OCs to decide whether to focus on running or passing since both are so easy).

Man. This is a scary ****ing thought. The Chiefs could actually be 5-4. And at that point, even though the schedule would look a little softer, they're a 5-4 team with a bottom 3 D in football. Oof.
Denver has 11 to decide which tool they use to stab us in the neck. They won't need more than a few minutes next Friday, but they have 11 days.

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jonzie04 10-20-2017 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 13166406)
Sutton is trying to defend against everything every play which is why we aren't good at anything.

Wants to rush the passer...but not really so we rush 3

wants to play man-man...but not really so we play off 10 yards

wants to defend the run...so leave a LB to read\react

wants to defend against the TE..so take our best pass rusher and run him down field

that's exactly why we look like we do...he has no balls to commit to anything on any play
Excellent take..

ILChief 10-20-2017 05:09 AM
Why isn't Ramik Wilson playing? Defense fell off a cliff when they started inactivating him. I don't think it's the reason we stink on defense but something has happened

ILChief 10-20-2017 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by booger (Post 13167026)
all things i'm looking forward to. DJ's decline is a big problem. Ragland is little by little getting comfortable. KPL is as well and hopefully can make some plays in the pass game. Eligwe probably needs to be playing sooner than later as he is the future will on this D. I don;t think they bench DJ but they are going to have to rotate him a bunch to try and keep him fresh because he's hurting this D
I doubt hali or Nelson are back

dannybcaitlyn 10-20-2017 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 13167108)
When you actually look up and down the roster, how much defensive talent do we actually have? It may have finally caught up to us. Aside from peters, Houston, and Jones, do we have anyone that rates above "solid"? Sorenson is an overachiever, Gaines is horrible, Ragland is horrible, Logan is a downgrade from Poe, DJ is washed up, Murray is a massive downgrade from Berry, Mitchell is OK but we need Nelson in there.

Andy Reid has loaded his offense with toys. We've ignored the defense for way too long. While I wish we were more versatile on scheme, I think it's a little overblown to think that blitzing more will solve anything. The problem is talent.
Once again you are late to the party. It's Bob Sutton scheme that sucks. Doesn't play his players to their strengths. Like putting Houston in coverage when the game is on the line. He dials up no pressure at all and makes every offfense look like world beaters. You throw in a competent d-cord and most of these problems you speak of magically disappear. I'm not buying the talent bullshit line.

ILChief 10-20-2017 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by dannybcaitlyn (Post 13167131)
Once again you are late to the party. It's Bob Sutton scheme that sucks. Doesn't play his players to their strengths. Like putting Houston in coverage when the game is on the line. He dials up no pressure at all and makes every offfense look like world beaters. You throw in a competent d-cord and most of these problems you speak of magically disappear. I'm not buying the talent bullshit line.
I agree. We no longer have a top tier defense with Berry's injury and DJ's decline, but we shouldn't be a bottom feeder either.

Aspengc8 10-20-2017 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by dannybcaitlyn (Post 13167131)
Once again you are late to the party. It's Bob Sutton scheme that sucks. Doesn't play his players to their strengths. Like putting Houston in coverage when the game is on the line. He dials up no pressure at all and makes every offfense look like world beaters. You throw in a competent d-cord and most of these problems you speak of magically disappear. I'm not buying the talent bullshit line.
Wrong sir. Scheme does not make up for lack of talent. Why is he dropping more into coverage? Because he gets no pass rush even when bringing 5. You want to bring more, and leave this terrible secondary in solo coverage? The coverage has been terrible, and the TACKLING has been worse. Eric Murray was in position to end the game on a 4th down hitch by Cook, and tackles HIGH, allowing Cook to push come backwards 5 yards for a first. You think Berry does that? Multiple times last night he rushed 4, and Houston/Jones/Ford did nothing. You are crazy if you think its scheme that cost us the game. Get some better talent out there in the secondary and lets see what happens.

dirk digler 10-20-2017 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 13166832)
Shit I wanted him gone after that Indy playoff game.
Here here :thumb:

dannybcaitlyn 10-20-2017 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Aspengc8 (Post 13167136)
Wrong sir. Scheme does not make up for lack of talent. Why is he dropping more into coverage? Because he gets no pass rush even when bringing 5. You want to bring more, and leave this terrible secondary in solo coverage? The coverage has been terrible, and the TACKLING has been worse. Eric Murray was in position to end the game on a 4th down hitch by Cook, and tackles HIGH, allowing Cook to push come backwards 5 yards for a first. You think Berry does that? Multiple times last night he rushed 4, and Houston/Jones/Ford did nothing. You are crazy if you think its scheme that cost us the game. Get some better talent out there in the secondary and lets see what happens.
Wrong. If your getting beat up and down the field all day long giving up tons of yards you make adjustments and maybe say to your self some quarterbacks will eat your lunch if I give them all day to throw. If you want to protect weak corners you dial up pressure. You can't do that when your d-cord puts your best pass rusher in coverage.

GloryDayz 10-20-2017 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 13167133)
I agree. We no longer have a top tier defense with Berry's injury and DJ's decline, but we shouldn't be a bottom feeder either.
This defense is buried in the silt.

And Sutton is a ****ing moron.

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ARROW2 10-20-2017 05:49 AM
This is why you need a QB like Mahomes for nights like this. Need 40 points? No problem. Sometimes you have to win a shootout. You can bag on the D all you want but they made two key stops late in the game and gave the MVP...cough...cough...two chances to ice the game. Fail. Mahomes is naturally aggressive and will keep attacking. Even some of Alex's passes to wide open receivers were not good passes. dudes had to reach. Wilson TD was not a good throw and should have been picked, ala Pitt TD last week.

Red Dawg 10-20-2017 05:51 AM
I wish they would but it will not happen. Stuck with Smith and Sutton this whole season.

ARROW2 10-20-2017 05:52 AM
In the end, Alex tried to "not **** up" his way to a victory, as usual. Whenever you do see him do something to the contrary, like make a play in crunch time, you know in your gut that it is not normal and not probable t happen under playoff pressure. Same movie folks, same movie. The D got ****ed at the end on those calls.

PAChiefsGuy 10-20-2017 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by ARROW2 (Post 13167149)
In the end, Alex tried to "not **** up" his way to a victory, as usual. Whenever you do see him do something to the contrary, like make a play in crunch time, you know in your gut that it is not normal and not probable t happen under playoff pressure. Same movie folks, same movie. The D got ****ed at the end on those calls.
You are such an idiot. Alex played great... 25/36, 342 yds, 3 TDs, 0 INTs... This loss was on the defense you moron... What do you want Alex to go 36/36, 400 yds, 4 TDs, 0 INTs.. Be a little realistic here. Raiders defensive players get paid millions for a reason..


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