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BleedingRed 12-05-2023 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 17262812)
Yup.

Smart move by the Chiefs w/ Jones.

This year has demonstrated why you don’t sign an almost 30 year old DT to a MONSTER contract.

Get the best left in the tank this season (and hopefully in the playoffs, mostly) and then move on and let someone else pay him ridiculous $$$$$.

CJ will probably end up on the Texans next year. Which will give them a actual scary pass rush.

Chief Pagan 12-05-2023 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kevrunner (Post 17262678)
He just missed a sack against the Packers, Omenihu got credit for the sack on this play, but at first it looks like Jones had the sack.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chris Jones gets up the crucial SACK for the Chiefs 😤<br><br>Packers up 27-19 with about a minute left in the 4th quarter.<a href="https://t.co/ZbEZgNdYum">pic.twitter.com/ZbEZgNdYum</a></p>&mdash; ClutchPoints (@ClutchPoints) <a href="https://twitter.com/ClutchPoints/status/1731527435454394487?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 4, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Damn, and I bet CJ just misses getting 30 mil/year from KC this off season too.

jerryaldini 12-05-2023 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Pagan (Post 17262899)
Damn, and I bet CJ just misses getting 30 mil/year from KC this off season too.

George with the spin move Frank taught him.

TEX 12-05-2023 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 17262798)
I think we'll miss him, but yeah. At this point I'd much rather use our resources on giving Mahomes some actual weapons. If we can get something out of a tag and trade and use it on a great WR to pair with Rice, I'll take the possible dip in our pass rush.

Sucks because KC chose CJ over Tyreek. But who knew CJ would hold out and want $30 million per?

RunKC 12-05-2023 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 17263068)
Sucks because KC chose CJ over Tyreek. But who knew CJ would hold out and want $30 million per?

They chose Tyreek. They also chose Chris. They gave them fair market value deals and both guys wanted the moon.

Good for Tyreek but it was wise to not pay that much when you're paying Mahomes.

emaw1979 12-05-2023 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17263120)
They chose Tyreek. They also chose Chris. They gave them fair market value deals and both guys wanted the moon.

Good for Tyreek but it was wise to not pay that much when you're paying Mahomes.

Yes...and Tyreek was worth and got the moon. CJ isn't worth what the Chiefs offered and I bet they are happy he turned it down.

scho63 12-06-2023 03:41 AM

So 5 of the last 6 games, NO SACKS.

Time to step his shit up ASAP

Molitoth 12-06-2023 07:49 AM

To me Sacks are a stat like INTs, where context matters.

Nobody should view an INT as a bad stat if there is :03 seconds left in the half and a QB launches a prayer... or if it's 3rd and 25 from the opposing teams 40 and you launch a ball downfield like a punt.
How many INT's does Mahomes have to carry because his WR's love to tip well throw balls?

A sack on first down for a loss of 3 yards doesn't mean much when the opposing team just gets a first down the next play.

I'm no Chris Jones fan after what he pulled this off season, but I don't think you can judge a player just strictly on paper stat.
I'd much rather look at QB pressures.

irafreak 12-06-2023 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 17263246)
To me Sacks are a stat like INTs, where context matters.

Nobody should view an INT as a bad stat if there is :03 seconds left in the half and a QB launches a prayer... or if it's 3rd and 25 from the opposing teams 40 and you launch a ball downfield like a punt.
How many INT's does Mahomes have to carry because his WR's love to tip well throw balls?

A sack on first down for a loss of 3 yards doesn't mean much when the opposing team just gets a first down the next play.

I'm no Chris Jones fan after what he pulled this off season, but I don't think you can judge a player just strictly on paper stat.
I'd much rather look at QB pressures.

And double teams he holds up against. He makes plays. We see him disrupt stuff. He not frank Clark getting washed out of the play.

ROYC75 12-06-2023 08:36 AM

Bet we lose CJ at the end of the year!

Possibly Sneed too!

If so, we gotta land big in the draft!

tredadda 12-06-2023 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ROYC75 (Post 17263282)
Bet we lose CJ at the end of the year!

Possibly Sneed too!

If so, we gotta land big in the draft!

If he still wants $30 million a year then you are correct.

tredadda 12-06-2023 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by irafreak (Post 17263263)
And double teams he holds up against. He makes plays. We see him disrupt stuff. He not frank Clark getting washed out of the play.

Is that different than last year? Last year he was the best DT in football. Now he’s holding up against double teams.

Red Dawg 12-06-2023 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 17263068)
Sucks because KC chose CJ over Tyreek. But who knew CJ would hold out and want $30 million per?

I did.

Red Dawg 12-06-2023 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17263291)
Is that different than last year? Last year he was the best DT in football. Now he’s holding up against double teams.

Only the QB is worth 30 mil per year.

tredadda 12-06-2023 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 17263302)
Only the QB is worth 30 mil per year.

I would pay elite DEs that as well. Someone like Watt, Bosa (Nick), and Garrett would justify it. Not a DT pushing 30.


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