Eh...

Doesn't matter. You'd still bring in Smith and let them compete.

I don't care if he's not from the distinguished background of RG3, as long as he's not a bad dude and somewhat intelligent he can come play for my team and throw 8 TD's all day!

Anybody coming in isn't going to build their franchise off of Brandon Weeden.

Go back and read post #225.

That post pretty well says all you need to know about Smith.

It would take Cassel 4 games to accomplish this, minimum.

I think Geno Smith is a great QB, but my, oh my have you guys changed your tune. Three years ago anyone who wanted to draft a spread QB was considered a total moron.

Yeah...agree.

The game has evolved. I still think it will take a couple years before he will be ready to run a true pro-style offense, but you can make-do with a spread-style offense until he is ready.

He's not a spread QB. Well, the past two years he's been, but his sophomore year he wasn't and he was just as impressive. Guy is a superb pocket QB and the system he's in doesn't matter.

Here is a link Mr. Tomahawk...

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/po...isman-rg3-talk

It's all about getting a QB for a system that can work in the NFL.

3 years ago it was different. You only had a handful of teams running it or some version of it. Now? It's all over. The rules encourage it.

Get this guy. Adopt the system.

Lose Cassel, draft our hero G. Smith.

83% completions

Un

****ing

Real

I just hope he doesn't play himself out of reach for us.

I was slow on the Geno bandwagon but I've seen all I need to see. This kid can flat out play.

RG3 esk deep ball throws. He's the real deal. I'm full on board now.

I'm trying to think of a translatable skill he doesn't have...and....well...hmmm

Not a chance on earth. And that's not a knock on RG III. In 14 out of 15 drafts, he's probably the first pick. He just fell into the draft where he wasn't. Luck was that good in college. He's like a robot developed in a lab to play QB. Not taking NFL hindsight into perspective, few QB's in college football history would go ahead of Luck. If any... the guy graded out almost flawlessly.

I'm on his bandwagon have been for awhile now :thumb:

Andrew Luck's dad is Geno Smith's athletic director



Geno Smith passed as if he were the best quarterback in the place, which is saying something, given that Andrew Luck watched the game with his father, West Virginia athletic director Oliver Luck (the Colts are off Sunday).

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/po...smiths-big-day

his td-to-incompletion ratio is 3 to 4....

Geno Smith: The story of the 2012 college football season (so far, at least)

One of the questions NFL teams ask about quarterback prospects is, can he make all the throws?

West Virginia quarterback Geno Smith made every throw against Baylor. In fact, he went through the whole passing tree in the first half. And then he went through it again in the second half.

Whether he was throwing deep posts, precise out routes or a perfectly thrown fade route to the corner, Smith had one of the best performances against a ranked team that anyone has ever seen in a 70-63 win over Baylor.

Has a Heisman Trophy race ever been decided by the end of September? Smith completed 45-of-51 passes for 656 yards and eight touchdowns against Baylor. Throughout the day he displayed a great combination of velocity, touch and accuracy, as well as having a great feel for when to tuck the ball and run for a first down. Smith now has 20 touchdowns and no interceptions this season. No other player is realistically in the Heisman picture right now, and NFL teams have to be rapidly moving Smith up their draft boards. He doesn't seem to have many flaws. Some team is going to land a nice franchise quarterback next April.

But Smith still has a lot of work left to do for West Virginia, and he has a chance to turn into a Jimmer-like phenomenon for college football.

Smith has a fantastic narrative that more fans will start to learn, having chosen football over being an art student, another field in which he was gifted. Smith is remarkably intelligent, makes creative plays on the field that are uncanny and has the backing of a rabid fan base that will help grow his legend. That total package is enough to perhaps make Smith the dominant and enduring storyline of the 2012 season. Just like Jimmer Fredette took over the college basketball world in 2011.

Every game Smith plays from here on out should become a must-watch game for any football fan. That includes Sundays for the next dozen or so years.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-...94--ncaaf.html

Just saw his stats for today's game. Wow!!

Wow, the kids stats are out of this world. Pissholy will never do what it takes to draft him :banghead:

The Baylor kid threw for 580, too.


That's insane.

Yeah, you dont see very many games with 1500 yards of offense

My friend said it was video game numbers, I think that this game exceeded that!

That's Big 12 defense for ya.


:D

45/51 for 656 yards, 8 TD's

LMAO

Do whatever it takes to get this kid. Unbelievable.

No chance. The Chiefs aren't very good, but they're too good to get that guy.

No, you don't.

No team drafts back to back first round QBs.

If its ever happened, then I will admit the possibility. But it hasn't.

It might be unprecedented, but the Browns have a new owner, and Mike Holmgren is probably going to be fired, and the financial commitment to a first round QB is not what it was just a couple of years ago.

Someone needs to plant weed on Smith so he falls in the draft. Get on it CP.

Make the trade the Redskins made for RG3 then. It can be done.

I know you are joking, but you are 100% correct.

You don't pass that guy up for Brandon ****ing Weeden.

I think it might be love.

Twitter world:

Chip Brown ‏ @ ChipBrownOB
Geno Smith had a good season today. # WVU


LeBron James ‏ @ KingJames
Man Geno Smith is RIDICULOUS out there man!!! 38-43 577yrs with 7TD's. And there is still 10 mins left. Smh!!
Retweeted 3996 times


LaMichael James ‏ @ LaMichaelJames
Geno smith is best qb is college football...


Tim MacMahon ‏ @ espn_macmahon
Baylor did a great job promoting RG3's Heisman campaign last year and an even better job promoting Geno Smith's campaign today.


Albert Breer ‏ @ AlbertBreer
Just texted w/an exec, told me he think Geno Smith "has a chance" to be the 1st pick in April, noted it's also bc of his strong junior year.


James Harden ‏ @ JHarden13
Geno Smith!!! More Touchdowns than Incompletions? Smh that's unreal.

James Harden ‏ @ JHarden13
RT @ Rjayrolln: Geno smith aka iRobot .. # sickgame # sickstats


Bruce Feldman ‏ @ BFeldmanCBS
After Geno Smith throws his 8th TD pass, setting a WVU record, NY Post writer Lenn Robbins huffs, "Big East must be pretty good."


Skip Bayless ‏ @ RealSkipBayliss
Geno Smith doesn't put up video game numbers. Video games put up Geno Smith numbers.


Matt Leinart ‏ @ MattLeinartQB
Is Geno Smith for real? Wow!


Peter King ‏ @ SI_PeterKing
WVU QB Geno Smith's last 5 games: 26 touchdown passes, 0 interceptions.


Lou Holtz ‏ @ ESPNDrLou
Stedman Bailey (WVU) &Terrance Williams (BAY) both had 300+ yds receiving, 8th & 9th FBS players w/300 yds receiving in a game since 2000.

Geno Smith and Nick Florence combined to throw for 1,237 yards, 16 yards shy of the single-game record by opposing players

Baylor’s 63 points is tied for the most scored by a losing team in a regulation game in FBS history.

Baylor & West Virginia....The teams also combined for 13 touchdown passes, which ties the record for most in a game involving FBS teams

Baylor- West Virginia...The two teams combined for 19 touchdowns (rushing and passing). That is the most in a game involving FBS teams.

Geno Smith's 8 TD passes are tied for the 2nd most in a game since 2000. (Case Keenum threw nine touchdown passes last season against Rice)

Geno Smith throws 656 yds, 8 TDs, West Virginia wins 70-63. 5th most pass yds in a game in D-1 history, 6 short of setting Big 12 record.

Geno Smith and the fast-moving, high-scoring Mountaineers proved they fit right in with their new conference, outracing No. 25 Baylor 70-63 on Saturday in the Big 12's highest-scoring game ever.

Smith tied a conference mark with eight touchdown passes and narrowly missed another one with 656 yards passing.

"It did feel like one of those classic Texas shootouts," said Smith, whose school moved over from the Big East this season. "That's kind of what the Big 12 is about."

Smith outdueled Baylor's Nick Florence, who broke Heisman Trophy-winning predecessor Robert Griffin III's school record with 581 yards. Florence threw for five TDs.

School, conference and FBS marks all got rewritten in this one.

The game also set a new record for the most points scored in a game involving a team ranked in the Associated Press poll. The previous mark of 124 was set in No. 12 Oklahoma's 82-42 win over Colorado in 1980.

How wild was it? Smith, the early Heisman front-runner, had more TD passes than incompletions (six). He finished 45 of 51 and still doesn't have an interception this season.

"Can you please tell me how you can improve on that?" West Virginia coach Dana Holgorsen said.

Maybe not on offense, but both defenses have plenty of work to do.

West Virginia amassed a school-record 807 yards and the teams combined for 1,507 yards of offense and 67 first downs. Six receivers had at least 100 yards receiving.

The Bears' Terrance Williams set a Big 12 record with 314 yards receiving. The old mark was set minutes earlier by West Virginia's Stedman Bailey, who had 303 yards and a school-record five TDs.

Williams' 8-yard scoring catch brought Baylor (3-1) within 70-63 with 3:08 left.

But Dustin Garrison ran for 17 yards on third down and the Mountaineers ran out the clock to snap Baylor's nine-game winning streak, the second-longest in the nation.

"We expect to score that many points a game," Florence said. "But the goal is to score more than our opponent and we came up a little short today."

The combined 19 touchdowns tied an FBS mark, last reached when Navy beat North Texas 74-62 in 2007. That matchup set the FBS record for most points in a regulation game at 136.

Baylor, meanwhile, tied an FBS mark for the most points scored by a losing team.

Among the other records, Smith set school single-game marks for completions, yards and touchdown passes.

Bailey and Tavon Austin became the first FBS teammates with 200 yards receiving since 2007.

Going back to the Orange Bowl, West Virginia has scored 10 touchdowns three times in its last five games.

"Statistically, it's my best game ever," Smith said. "But I think it's more about the team, and I think it just lets us know that we're going to have to battle it out every week against some really tough teams in the Big 12.

"I could care less about a Heisman Trophy. The big thing for us what that we won the game today. We're on a mission, and we want to win them all."

West Virginia went ahead for good early in the third quarter, but Baylor almost always had an answer.

Austin made long touchdown grabs three minutes apart while Baylor punted and missed a long field goal. Smith stayed in a groove, throwing three passes of 45 yards or more in the third quarter alone. His 47-yarder to Bailey set up Andrew Buie's second short TD run for a 56-35 lead.

The way this game was going, though, no cushion was safe.

Williams caught a 37-yard scoring pass from Florence and, after Baylor's defense forced a rare punt, Florence's sneak brought the Bears within 56-49, and there was still 14:14 left.

But Bailey scored on TD grabs of 87 and 39 yards after that.

"We fought hard," said Baylor coach Art Briles. "But we didn't respond well enough to win the game."

Holgorsen talked at length about how impatient he got watching Maryland's offense run the clock down before each snap last week.

There was no chance of a slowdown from Baylor.

The teams scored on 10 of their final 13 possessions of the first half. Seven of those drives lasted under two minutes.

Smith, whose passing yardage total was 5 yards shy of the Big 12 mark, completed a school-record 14 straight passes at one point. After a dropped pass, Smith completed 12 more in a row.

Smith's fourth TD pass came with 29 seconds left until halftime, but that was more than enough time for Florence. On second down he threw down the left sideline to Lanear Sampson, who juked two defenders and went 67 yards untouched to tie the score at 35-35.

The Mountaineers now must hope they can generate points on the road when they head to No. 12 Texas and Texas Tech over the next two weeks.

"Not every Big 12 game is like this," Holgorsen said.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...ver-baylor/rss

which teams this coming draft would possibly use their first pick on a qb?

I see the browns being our biggest enemy in the Geno race. Theyll pull the trigger on Geno in a second if Weeden keeps sucking and they have one of the top picks.
What about the other teams that are probably going to be picking before us? Which of them will be valuing qb's as their highest need for the '13 season? Not many that I can think of.

Either way this franchise is going to be in position to draft a qualified first round qb prospect to replace cassel and HOPEFULLY they grow a pair and trade up for Geno because he is easily worth it.

Browns, Oakland, Tampa (if Freeman continues to play horribly), AZ (should Kolb play like Kolb)

Browns are 0-4, Saints are 0-3 the rest of teams have won 1 game, Chiefs,Broncos, Raiders, Jaguars, Titans, Colts, Dolphins, Patriots, Steelers, Rams, Bucs, Panthers, Packers, Lions. Missing a couple but out of all these teams the Chiefs need a first round qb more then anybody, you know for sure the saints,patriots,packers,lions,colts,dolphins and panthers won't draft qb in first. Would the browns draft back to back qbs in first round? I say the Geno sweepstakes will be between Chiefs and Raiders and maybe Jacksonville and titans in running. Way too early but with the way it's playing out the Chiefs could be in good shape, then we would have to worry about Pioli drafting him.

It doesn't happen often but Skip Bayless' comment was pretty good.

http://www.goerieblogs.com/sports/on...-Smith-WVU.gif

His arm has to be tired today!!!!

Chris Mortensen was just talking on ESPN like Smith might very well leap Barkley if he keeps playing like this... as if he could be the #1 pick. Although he talked like Smith has been on NFL exec's radar for a while now.

However it plays out, the chiefs will screw it up, or will get screwed some how....some way. It's our destiny.
He'll get taken a spot before us, or someone will trade to in front of us,or he's there and we don't take him.


It's our life

I don't know why anyone would say "might."

Barkley is only a consensus #1 pick by default. I'm more interested in if Murray plays well enough to become a consensus #1 pick so he declares early. If Murray doesn't declare, Geno Smith runs away with the #1 pick. IMO.

Let's not sweep Barkley aside, though. I'd be more than happy to draft him in the first.

Good year for QBs...

Murray has no shot at being the #1 overall.

What the **** kind of ****ing moron are you?

At some point we should figure out a way to set up a betting pool as to if the Chiefs will draft a Qb. Maybe once the draft order is established. Bet using casino cash.

I don't know dick about gambling or betting, but I think I would be fun.

Why is Barkley so widely loved? He is passing to NFL talent, the type of guys that turn 7 yard outs into 70 yard TD's. He should do well in college.


I am not sold on him, yet, but we need to take a shot.

Murray will be a nice consolation prize for someone in the second round.

I've said this before.

I like Murray, and think with good coaching, he can realize his potential.

But he's far too inconsistent in that program with the morons running things there to ever achieve #1 overall status.

I just want to know what kind of ****ing drugs zilla takes to come up with the stupid shit he says.

I'll give him credit, though.

He is, far and away, the most articulate dumbass I have ever come across.

In this QB class, why couldn't he be? Especially if he steadily improves, which you would expect from a Junior running a very difficult offense.

Why would he declare early?

Because Murray has a tendency to frequetly go bonehead.

You know Murray better than I do. I'm just throwing out the possibility.

Because what I see in Murray is that he plays in a very difficult QB offense in a very difficult conference. I think NFL scouts are a lot more forgiving of that, and you can't knock on a guy too much for being inconsistent as a Sophomore or even an early Junior. What I see is that he has tremendous fundamentals and great arm strength, and that he looks like he can run an NFL offense as opposed to reading off of a script. That's the reason why I was asking what the knock on him is that he wouldn't be a legit top-tier prospect?

Because in Geno Smith, you have a tremendous passer who hasn't proven he can play under center. In Barkley, you have a good QB with all the tools but with arm strength limitations. And much as I like Tyler Wilson, if he's trying out for a job, he's not exactly wow'ing anybody.

Now, if you think Georgia's offensive scheme is messed up and that's limiting Murray's potential, that's something I don't know. You would and I trust what you're saying. I was pointing out Murray as a potential #1 only if he continues to improve.

Because it's a strong class, and he has no chance of leap-frogging Smith and Barkley?

Probably won't since there will be three locks in the first round: Barkley, Smith, and Wilson.

And, he'll likely return to try to chase a NC, in addition to trying to improve his draft stock.

I don't think a guy whose has outstanding pocket footwork is going to have any problem learning to take snaps under center.

It's a deep class. It's not a strong one in terms of elite NFL prospects. So there is absolutely opportunity for somebody to leapfrog into the #1 slot.

If this were the 2012 Draft class, it would be Andrew Luck, RGIII and then everybody else.

This is RG3 all over again.

We all love the guy's talent, think it's possible but then he plays himself out of reach for us.

Might as well start to focus on some of the other options the way I see it.

Completely disagree. At this time last year, many weren't even projecting RGIII as a first-round pick. And you're greatly undervaluing Barkley and Smith.

They're not Luck-level prospects, but they're really, really good.

I like Geno Smith. I'd draft him in a heartbeat. But that does take a leap of faith that he can operate in an NFL offense, given that his system is extremely friendly to a QB. I didn't have that question with Luck or RGIII. For Smith to succeed, he has to be able to operate in a more traditional pro style offense.

This is why you are full of shit.

RGIII played in a system that was every bit as QB friendly as Smith does.

JFC, where do you come up with this shit?

Do you think you'll just throw shit out there and no one will question it?

Barkley is a strong NFL prospect. But he's not an elite prospect you gush over to take him #1.

I really like Geno Smith. But he's not RGIII. I gushed over RGIII because I thought he could become a more giftedly athletic version of Ben Roethlisberger. Meaning... you don't have to have to be perfect to mentally run an NFL offense. You can use your legs to buy extra time. For Smith, you have to take a leap of faith that he can operate in a more traditional pro style offense. I believe he can, but that risk makes him anything but a consensus pick.

Don't get me wrong. Both are terrific top 10 prospects. But they're not the #1's you gush over.

Aside from Geno's passing (obviously), I loved his footwork.

I have said this many times before. The reason I was high on RGIII is because I believed he was a gifted enough athlete to be able to use his legs not to run, but to buy time for receivers to get open.

Geno Smith is a good athlete. But he's not going to win this way. He has to be much better at reading an NFL defense out of a pro style offense than either RGIII or Big Ben had to be.

I don't get this.

Have you seen Detriot, New Orleans, NE, Packers, (I'm sure several others I'm missing) play?

They're all running the spread. Why do you think we have so many 4000+ yard passers now a days? A lot of them are playing in the friendliest QB system around.

It's no longer a just a college offense.

Geno Smith isn't as fast or athletically gifted as RGIII, but his pocket awareness in more advanced and his mobility is far better than you are trying to paint it to be.

Just stop talking.

They're running the spread. They don't run only the spread. They take plenty of snaps under center, which you have to do if you want to balance your passing game with an effective running game. In the end, you have to run a pro style offense. You want a QB that can make pre-snap reads. You want a QB with the smarts to call a play in no huddle. You want a QB who has the footwork and technique to run any play out of any formation.

I like Smith. I think he works hard, has good footwork which should translate well under center, and I think he's at least shown he can go through progressions. Right now, he's a QB who runs a scripted offense based on pre-determined reads primarily out of a shotgun. He's more advanced in reading defenses than your typical shotgun QB. But any team that drafts him does have to take a leap in faith that he can do these things even though he's never been asked to do them in college.

closest I know of is the cowboys with troy aikman and steve walsh (walsh was picked in the 1st round of the 1989 supplemental draft (aikman went in the first round of the regular 1989 draft).

JFC. I didn't say he wasn't athletically gifted or didn't have pocket awareness.

I am saying that RGIII and Big Ben are athletically gifted enough that they can operate in an offense that revolves around holding the ball too long. Because they have elite athletic skills to do that consistently.

Geno Smith is not that type of QB. He's going to have to be a pocket passer first and then use his mobility and pocket presence to escape out of jams.

You are trying to sell this stupid ****ing idea that Geno Smith doesn't have the athletic ability to make plays if he doesn't make quick reads.

That is sheer utter bullshit.

He isn't as fast or athletically gifted as RGIII, but he has enough speed and athletic ability to escape pressure and make plays outside the pocket with his arm.

You're selling bullshit, and I am not buying it.

Go sell your bullshit to whoever is stupid enough to buy it.

But stop trying to sell it to me.

I've seen Geno Smith, and I can smell your bullshit from 1500 miles away.

Anybody who doesn't want to draft Geno Smith right now can rot in this chiefs purgatory that we are all in anyways.

zilla, please just stop. This is ridiculous.

And that's EXACTLY what wins in the NFL today.

murray as the #1 QB?


:doh!:

What a dipshit.

When everybody is laughing and having a good time inside at the Geno Smith is a Chief party, zilla will be outside chewing on Murray's overrated poop nuggets

Say hello to Glen Dorsey's replacement.

Who's that? Dontari Poe?