See previous comment.

You don't get the best and brightest calling in (or hosting) Sports Talk Radio.....

I'm not suggesting that we throw the value chart away. It was a freaking from-the-hip hypothetical, christ.

That being said, the top of this draft is AWFUL.

Michael Smith:

"I think this trade shows that Bill Belichick and Scott Pioli are REALLY good friends."

"Rumors that the compensation for Cassel may have been better from other teams."

Yeah Kiper and company were ripping this deal up on ESPN radio. They couldn't believe that Detroit sat there and let us make this move, when they had 3 picks before the one we gave up, plus they could've thrown in late round compensation to sweeten the deal.

I've pretty much come to the conclusion that a QB, even a great one, is going to have a tough time winning if he doesn't have weapons. To me, Cassel has proven he can succeed if he is in the system the Pats run and has weapons. So it is basically Pioli's job now to make sure he gives Cassel legit weapons to succeed here...

Something I said?
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There's a huge difference between playmaker and HOF'er.

You don't trade a HOF talent.

DaWolf that is a great highlight reel. Does not look like he has a weak arm to me.

That video of Cassel makes CLOWNS out of these folks whining about his friggin' arm strength.

What a friggin' hoot.... LMAO LMAO LMAO

hahaha. Denver was considering dumping Future Hall of Famer (in Denver fan's minds) Cutler. hahahaha

that's why they are Detroit

Oh hey, the ineptitude of a surrounding cast is also one of my favorite idiotic arguments against a phenomenal player's value! Thank you for the example!

what a fun day this is. as an out-of-market Chiefs fan in exile, its nice to have a place to talk about this trade.

Michael Smith:

"Arizona has the most similar offensive scheme to New England in the league. Charlie Weiss instituted the New England offense and Haley was a Weiss pupil earlier in his career. Cassel will not miss a beat moving to KC."

Detroit is a messed up bunch.

I could say Obama is the best President ever....and coming from me, you'd label it reeruned.

Go fugg yourself. ;)

P.S. I never thought about it till now, but you probably could have, can....

:)

Shit like this scares me. Everyone from this tree is hopelessly tied to the players from it. This Kool-Aid shit is reeruned.

yep for sure i ahd seen that or another video like it a couple of days ago, his arm looks good to me

If true I would prefer Cutler, but the Donks would have raped us in a trade...

The fact remains, TEs are not all that important to a team's success.

Welcome.

What a pile of ****ing shit.

Safety First! :rolleyes:

It has nothing to do with you. That snippet you posted was very, very dumb.

"Look at this list of two cherry picked Hall of Famers and [Criticized Player] and CHAD PENNINGTON who were criticized for something (conveniently excluding all of the Joey Harringtons who were also knocked for a lack of arm strength), and then look at this list of two cherry picked busts and Drew Bledsoe who were praised for their arm strength! Wowee!"

You clearly have no understanding of the logistics involved.

I'm not saying that at this point he is the 4th best QB in the league, I'm just speaking to his QB rating his 1st season of starting speaking to his decision making ability against NFL competition.

Having TG makes everyone's job on offense easier. That counts for a lot.

Wow, he can punt too. Watch your back Colquitt.

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I was going to post a response to milkman but decided not to.... glad I didn't because your take is so much better. Nastier than mine, but more succinct.

The point is, he plays a position that is not all that vaulable.

How many SB winners have actually had great TEs?

I bet we get that 2nd pk back by us trading down from the 3rd overall pick.

The Chiefs would be smart to not sign Cassel to a long term deal.

Because of how the CBA is set up, if it expires next year, we hold Cassel's rights because he will have 5 years of service, rather than 6, which he would need to be a UFA, instead of 4 as it is no.

(Source: Michael Lombardi)

Did Chiefs rob Patriots with 34th pick?
February 28, 2009 3:06 PM
Posted by ESPN.com's Tim Graham


Cassel
The 34th overall selection in this year's draft sure sounds like a bargain for the Kansas City Chiefs. That's all they gave the New England Patriots to obtain quarterback Matt Cassel and linebacker Mike Vrabel.

Sound a little cheap to you?

About seven weeks ago, I explored Cassel's trade value with a pair of analysts who've been around the NFL block a time or two.

Floyd Reese was one of them. The former Tennessee Titans general manager was working for ESPN at the time.

Now he's senior football adviser with the Patriots.

Here's what Reese said back then: "It would have to be multiple choices and very high choices to get Cassel. Two first-rounders, or a one and a two and a three ... It'll be something very, very expensive."

Cassel hadn't been franchised yet, but it was common knowledge the tag was coming. So the element of unloading $14.65 million in guaranteed money was considered in the responses.

I also spoke with Michael Lombardi of the National Football Post.

Lombardi has a strong relationship with many in Patriots management, including coach Bill Belichick, from their days together with the Cleveland Browns. Lombardi was the first to report the Patriots were going to place the franchise tag on Cassel.

Lombardi claimed Cassel's starting price -- not including Vrabel -- should be the draft choices the San Diego Chargers received for Eli Manning.

At the 2004 draft, the New York Giants acquired Manning's rights for Philip Rivers' rights along with a third-round pick that year and their first- and fifth-round picks in 2005.

"Whatever the Giants gave up for Eli has to be the market," Lombardi said. "It's got to be a first-rounder, and not the 22nd or 24th pick in the draft. It has to be a substantial one and one that keeps on giving."

Matt Cassel, Mike Vrabel, Floyd Reese, Michael Lombardi, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Bill Belichick, 09 free agency, Cassel trade

Oh oh, he can punt, too. Watch out, Dustin!

Just like the Obama kool-aid, uh? How ironic!

It was a flippant off-the-top-of-my-head.....I'm-still-in-awe-Pioli-pulled-this-off....so excuse me if I'm engaging in a bit of hyperbole to illustrate my point. Lord knows, you never do that.

As for the logistics/plumbing issue involved in my earlier post....I was being facetious, and forgot you don't take facetious (on that issue, or from me)...so sue me.

:p

I would wait till after the draft to make a deal with him.

I'd argue most SB teams have a good pass catching TE. Doesn't have to be a HOF'er, but pretty good.

How relevant.

Who would we have gotten in the 2nd if we didn't make this trade? Are they worth more than Cassel and Vrabel?

At least we won't have to hear any more stafford infection or dirty sanchez endless debate for two months.
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Agreed.

Since we can afford to pay him as is we should do it. Wait a year and see how he does. He plays great franchise him and then work out a long term deal...

This guy better perform. Short leash for this move, and even less patience.

This guy better be the Second ****ing Coming of Len Dawson and then some.

I don't disagree.

But the fact still remains that we, as a fan base, place entirely too much value on the TE position.

I think we got a steal but I am not a fan of Cassell at all because he played with a great team with great WR's and IMO is a 1-year wonder.

But I will root for him and hope he does well.

I tell you what will be relevant is your casino cash at ZERO after the draft:eek:ROFL

This made me happy...:)

Or what? You'll swear a lot?
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I'd expect nothing less from Pioli, here.

Scott: I don't know Bill, they are some really important people on Chiefs Planet who might not like this
Bill : **** 'em. So endeth the lesson.
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No, I'll just wish a career-ending injury on him. Every game, every time.
Mother****er better shine like the top of the Chrysler Building.

Now this is the wrong attitude. I'm not saying Cassel will be some kind of hero or anything, but that's gonna be true of any QB. If we drafted a QB at three you'd be absolutely crazy to say this, so instead we give up our 2nd rounder for our QB and people are gonna say stuff like this, like there's more pressure on the guy despite the fact we gave up less to get him. Wrong.

Yep. If he is only as good as a HOF QB, we shouldn't have given up a second round pick for him.

A guy who can keep a drive alive by getting a tough 1st down is. Course it doesnt neccesarily have to be TE. Definately nice to have if the guy is smart and tough. As you said though, not essential but a player like that is important.

Damn straight.

I feel like we STOLE from the Patriots.

Todd: I could pull 22 fans off the street to have a message board season like this.

Flipside of your argument-if he played average I would be worried but he did not. He played good and very good at times and DID perform with talent around him which is a future positive thing IMO. He did 'extremely' better than everyone expected and I don't use the word 'extremely' flippantly here.

Yes I hope and pray he is not a Scott Mitchell or Derek Anderson etc.......

But WE GOT A HELLUVA OF STEAL OF A DEAL!!!!:thumb:

What a great fan.
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I don't like Cassel but I think it's a good trade.

When you look at who we've traded for or drafted with our 2nd's it's not a very impressive list. We know exactly what what we're getting for Vrabel.

If Cassel ends up being a solid no 2 QB he didn't even cost a "whole" 2nd. The risk/reward is huge. And add Vrabel for only a 2nd? I'm no Cassel fan but taking that risk for only a 2nd?

We drafted Brodie in the 3rd...

He has a shorter leash than a drafted QB would.

It's OK. Just because we all know Carl would have given up the 1st round pick for the same deal, doesn't mean we stole.

Jesus, dude.

Is Stafford / Sanchez your brother in law or something?

Take a deep breath, go get a beer and give yourself a few minutes for yourself.....

in WHOS mind?

If you really feel this way you need to root for a new team. I am not a fan of Cassell either but that is taking it a little too far.

Darth CS just used the word leash and like clockwork you follow

A short leash?

From who? You are going to reach down from the stands and pull him?

Sorry, that's the teams call
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I am amazed at some of the ignorace of this board

It's been fun watching the Sanchez kneepad squad losing their minds. Well, what little they had to begin with, anyway.

Its just common sense.

Dude...this one post indicates an incredible level of stupidity. I can't even wrap my mind around it.

wth people? this is a very good deal

I'd argue we, just as much, undervalue the HB position.

People forget that 8 year stretch before Priest where not having a HB worth a $3it was nearly impossible to win with. Watching the Pats, Giants, and Cards you start to undervalue the position.

Not me, there is Fuqtards all over this board talking stupid shit.

Based on?

CC, defying reality and inserting his own at every turn.

common sense that we traded for a guy that played 1 year and will put him on a shorter leash than a guy right out of college?

You've been here 4 years, of course you can...

Darth cuts out the eyes in Sanchez's pics and jerks off in the mirror.

I don't think there will be any leash. It's his team now.

This thing will be wide open. He'll explode to the probowl or implode into Chiefs infamy...

No it isn't. You can make an argument either way, which means it isn't a "common sense" no-brainer. He's a 26 year old second-year starter who we already know can play in this league and whom we just gave up a second rounder to get. At this point he has no "leash".

If you are going to give the same amount of time for a 26 to develop than a 22 year then you are reeruned plain and simple. We better be able to compete for a Super Bowl in 2010 with him.

Holy shit! They let him use sharp objects?

Had to...