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Carlota69 11-23-2011 02:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 8136040)
How ****ing pathetic is this. I am so desperate for ANY positive news for the Chiefs that I'm all atwitter over the possibility of a Dungver reject.
:LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:

talastan 11-23-2011 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by rageeumr (Post 8136015)
The Stanzi man crush that some have around here amuses the hell out of me. Name me one QB taken in the 5th round or later in the last 15 years (not named Tom Brady) that you'd want over Cassel. Matt Hasselbeck and Marc Bulger in their prime, maybe. That's it.

Stanzi played in a high-profile program in college. He's not some diamond in the rough. Every scout in the NFL knows exactly what he can do, and every team passed on him at least 4 times.

I understand the "Let's see what he's got" mentality, but the fact is that the coaches already have a pretty good idea what he's got. They obviously don't think he's the guy.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8136031)
And I love how everyone uses Tom Brady to assume that every QB taken in the 5th-7th round could be the next Hall of Famer.

BUT TOM BRADY DID IT!
Again, yes Stanzi is a fifth round pick; Cassel was barely a seventh and Failco was undrafted. If we are going to throw out the draft pick status then again Stanzi should be starting. I don't know of anyone that is claiming he'll be Brady v2.0. But he should according to the scout's evaluations be the best QB we have on the roster.

pr_capone 11-23-2011 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8136036)
He's a FA next year. We wouldn't own him unless we gave him a new contract or slapped the Franchise tag on him.
Not if he didn't report. He would not have fulfilled his contract and we wouls still own him. At least that is how I understand it. I could be awfully wrong here tho.

BoneKrusher 11-23-2011 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8136038)
I'm not. This team doesn't have a QB..
i'd say, 16 points in three games..

The Franchise 11-23-2011 02:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 8136047)
Not if he didn't report. He would not have fulfilled his contract and we wouls still own him. At least that is how I understand it. I could be awfully wrong here tho.
As far as I understand it....if he doesn't report....he doesn't get paid. He would still be a FA next year.....he just wouldn't get the rest of the money that was on his contract.

jd1020 11-23-2011 02:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8136044)
I'm all for it. People must be assuming that because I wanted Orton here...that I didn't want Stanzi to get reps. I just don't see any indication that this FO is willing to give him those reps.

If I was Haley.....Stanzi would have gotten the start after Cassel went down. Palko is shit. He's proven that he doesn't have it and the probably never will.
Also, if you want to go back 15 years, there was this guy named Kurt Warner who debuted in 1998 with the shiny draft round pick of.... Oh wait, he wasnt.

Carlota69 11-23-2011 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsfansofDallas (Post 8136043)
The NFL doesn't have to award us a comp pick for him. In all likely hood, they wouldn't give us a comp pick for a player that didn't play but 5-6 games and the Chiefs gave up nothing for.

$2.5 million is a pretty big gamble.
From PFT
UPDATE 10:35 p.m. ET: As a reader pointed out on Twitter, claiming Orton has another benefit. When he leaves as a free agent in March 2012, the team that employs him for six weeks would be in line for a compensatory draft pick. So there’s one more good reason to consider doing it.

The Franchise 11-23-2011 02:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8136056)
Also, if you want to go back 15 years, there was this guy named Kurt Warner who debuted in 1998 with the shiny draft round pick of.... Oh wait, he wasnt.
That's two out of how many?


HEY EVERYONE! THERE IS A .000000001 CHANCE THAT STANZI COULD BE THE NEXT HALL OF FAME QB!!!!

rageeumr 11-23-2011 02:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8136044)
I'm all for it. People must be assuming that because I wanted Orton here...that I didn't want Stanzi to get reps. I just don't see any indication that this FO is willing to give him those reps.

If I was Haley.....Stanzi would have gotten the start after Cassel went down. Palko is shit. He's proven that he doesn't have it and the probably never will.
I'm the same way. If my choices are Palko or Stanzi... **** it, throw the kid in there.

But the people shouting NO ORTON, WE MUST GIVE THE SAVIOR STANZI HIS CHANCE make me chuckle.

jd1020 11-23-2011 02:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8136058)
That's two out of how many?


HEY EVERYONE! THERE IS A .000000001 CHANCE THAT STANZI COULD BE THE NEXT HALL OF FAME QB!!!!
And there's like a whopping 6% chance that that 1st round QB you picked will win something significant in his career.

HOLY SHIT! 5% is too much to lose out on to not look at a kid when you have no reason not to.

pr_capone 11-23-2011 02:58 PM
Can we get a ruling from one of the Waiver Wire Gurus here?

If he doesn't report, does he just forefit the rest of his contract or would it be a Plummer like situation where we would own his ass until he reported or was traded?

htismaqe 11-23-2011 02:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8136031)
And I love how everyone uses Tom Brady to assume that every QB taken in the 5th-7th round could be the next Hall of Famer.

BUT TOM BRADY DID IT!
The fact that Tom Brady happened makes it WORTH giving him playing time.

He's a 5th round pick, which all but guarantees he won't amount to anything. It wouldn't matter what position he played - 5th round picks have a low probability of panning out. Which means you have NOTHING to lose by playing him. If he flops, it's expected. And if he lights it up, you win big for cheap.

jd1020 11-23-2011 02:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 8136064)
Can we get a ruling from one of the Waiver Wire Gurus here?

If he doesn't report, does he just forefit the rest of his contract or would it be a Plummer like situation where we would own his ass until he reported or was traded?
Pretty sure he becomes a UFA at the end of the season no matter the situation.

rageeumr 11-23-2011 03:01 PM
Well hell. I guess it's time to wear out my F5 button on Twitter.

The Franchise 11-23-2011 03:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8136065)
The fact that Tom Brady happened makes it WORTH giving him playing time.

He's a 5th round pick, which all but guarantees he won't amount to anything. It wouldn't matter what position he played - 5th round picks have a low probability of panning out. Which means you have NOTHING to lose by playing him. If he flops, it's expected. And if he lights it up, you win big for cheap.
And I've already stated that that is what I wanted from the beginning. Shit....I would have rather given playing time to Stanzi instead of Cassel.

I'm just tired of the group of people who think that every QB is the next Tom Brady because we drafted him in the 5th round.

Los Pollos Hermanos 11-23-2011 03:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 8136057)
From PFT
UPDATE 10:35 p.m. ET: As a reader pointed out on Twitter, claiming Orton has another benefit. When he leaves as a free agent in March 2012, the team that employs him for six weeks would be in line for a compensatory draft pick. So there’s one more good reason to consider doing it.
Quote:
The placement of the picks is determined by a proprietary formula based on the player's salary, playing time, and postseason honors with his new team, with salary being the primary factor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...l_League_Draft

The Chiefs are not going to get much for a player who plays 6 games. Maybe if he gets a monster contract next season. But who's going to give KO a monster contract?

dirk digler 11-23-2011 03:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 8136064)
Can we get a ruling from one of the Waiver Wire Gurus here?

If he doesn't report, does he just forefit the rest of his contract or would it be a Plummer like situation where we would own his ass until he reported or was traded?
PFT
Quote:
There would be consequences if he refuses to play for the Chiefs or any other team. For starters, he’d forfeit the balance of his $4.5 million salary in 2011. Also, he’d be subject to an attack on any remaining signing bonus allocation for 2011.

Finally, and perhaps most importantly, Orton could jeopardize his shot at free agency in 2012.

As best we currently understand the rules, the Chiefs would be able to send Orton a five-day letter, if he doesn’t show. And if within five days after getting the letter he still doesn’t arrive, the Chiefs can put him on the reserve/left squad list, which would shut Orton down for the rest of the year.

ShowtimeSBMVP 11-23-2011 03:03 PM
adbrandtAndrew Brandt

Have been informed that Kyle Orton has been claimed. No notification of team yet.

Carlota69 11-23-2011 03:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiefsfansofDallas (Post 8136073)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...l_League_Draft

The Chiefs are not going to get much for a player who plays 6 games. Maybe if he gets a monster contract next season. But who's going to give KO a monster contract?
Fair enough.

The Franchise 11-23-2011 03:05 PM
This is about to get interesting for Kyle Orton. ROFL

Quesadilla Joe 11-23-2011 03:05 PM
Quote:
Have been informed that Kyle Orton has been claimed. No notification of team yet.
https://twitter.com/#!/adbrandt/stat...48988570099712

Marcellus 11-23-2011 03:06 PM
Whether we claim him or not there will be bitching.

I am conflicted myself.

Claim him shows we aren't giving up (Haley is scared for his job probably) on the season just yet. Players like Bowe, Breaston, and Baldwin would appreciate the effort.

We don't claim him maybe we plan to see what the kid can do if Palko continues to stink (I hope).

jd1020 11-23-2011 03:06 PM
We knew he was going to be claimed. The Bears pretty much came out and said it.

The Franchise 11-23-2011 03:06 PM
It's not Chicago.

AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Kyle Orton was claimed on waivers -- by a still unidentified team before Chicago.

ShowtimeSBMVP 11-23-2011 03:06 PM
AdamSchefterAdam Schefter


Kyle Orton was claimed on waivers -- by a still unidentified team before Chicago.

talastan 11-23-2011 03:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 8136086)

We don't claim him maybe we plan to see what the kid can do if Palko continues to stink (I hope).
I'll be pissed if we claim him and then move Stanzi back to inactive. :banghead:

DaWolf 11-23-2011 03:07 PM
Schefter just said he was claimed before the Bears...

The Franchise 11-23-2011 03:07 PM
Top 3 has to be the Redskins, Chiefs and Dolphins.

Titty Meat 11-23-2011 03:07 PM
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Kyle Orton was claimed on waivers -- by a still unidentified team before Chicago.
56 seconds ago Favorite Retweet Reply

Hammock Parties 11-23-2011 03:08 PM
I'd guess the Dolphins got him.

Buck 11-23-2011 03:08 PM
It's probably Minnesota.

jd1020 11-23-2011 03:08 PM
He guys...

Schefter just said, over twitter, that it wasn't the Bears who claimed Orton.

Carlota69 11-23-2011 03:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8136094)
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Kyle Orton was claimed on waivers -- by a still unidentified team before Chicago.
56 seconds ago Favorite Retweet Reply
I say us or WAS...Miami is cool with Moore.

BoneKrusher 11-23-2011 03:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8136092)
Top 3 has to be the Redskins, Chiefs and Dolphins.
Phins have a QB playing really well over the last 4 games, that rules them out.

ShowtimeSBMVP 11-23-2011 03:09 PM
chiefs got him

pr_capone 11-23-2011 03:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 8136086)
Whether we claim him or not there will be bitching.

I am conflicted myself.

Claim him shows we aren't giving up (Haley is scared for his job probably) on the season just yet. Players like Bowe, Breaston, and Baldwin would appreciate the effort.

We don't claim him maybe we plan to see what the kid can do if Palko continues to stink (I hope).
There is zero benefit to not claiming him. It would be ****ing STUPID to not claim him. It's not like cap room is tight for KC.

The Franchise 11-23-2011 03:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BoneKrusher (Post 8136099)
Phins have a QB playing really well over the last 4 games, that rules them out.
:spock:

Buck 11-23-2011 03:09 PM
CHIEFS!!! Lol

Carlota69 11-23-2011 03:09 PM
Its us.

FD 11-23-2011 03:09 PM
ESPN reporting KC has claimed him.

The Franchise 11-23-2011 03:09 PM
ROFL


****ing awesome. There's the bench Orton.

Buck 11-23-2011 03:09 PM
God I hate you guys now if he plays.

Hammock Parties 11-23-2011 03:10 PM
BREAKING NEWS: QB Kyle Orton claimed off waivers by Kansas City Chiefs. http://t.co/DpZFd50e — @ESPNChiBears via Twitter

dirk digler 11-23-2011 03:10 PM
LMAO

lewdog 11-23-2011 03:10 PM
In before Orton comes to CP to bitch about it!

jd1020 11-23-2011 03:10 PM
Guess we wont get to see Stanzi this year.

prhom 11-23-2011 03:10 PM
Playoffs here we come! Ha!

The Franchise 11-23-2011 03:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8133512)
Bump for OTW58.

FringeNC 11-23-2011 03:11 PM
Who wanted him, Haley or Pioli?

journeyscarab 11-23-2011 03:11 PM
Print 'em!

pr_capone 11-23-2011 03:11 PM
KC FINALLY WINS SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!

BoneKrusher 11-23-2011 03:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 8136100)
chiefs got him
awesome.

i hate that Stanzi may not get a shot but glad we have a QB, he's a vast improvement over Mark Cassel.

Marcellus 11-23-2011 03:12 PM
Wow, what a ****ed up season.

OnTheWarpath15 11-23-2011 03:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8133490)
We're going to pick him up, and end up winning a game we shouldn't/wouldn't have, and come April someone will trade up to the spot we would have been to take Barkley.

We proceed to take the best available RT or 5-tech with the pick.
Right so far...

memyselfI 11-23-2011 03:12 PM
Before today, I would take Cassel over Orton anyday. Guess I get both. LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

BossChief 11-23-2011 03:12 PM
holy shitto

talastan 11-23-2011 03:13 PM
:banghead: There goes Stanzi's Practice snaps, and chance to play this season. I really don't think that Orton has the ballz to follow through with his threat, especially when he'll argueably only play for four weeks and then collect a couple of million before being an UFA.

dirk digler 11-23-2011 03:13 PM
I laughed but this isn't really that funny. If he comes in and wins a couple of games and knocks us out of a Top 5 pick I am going to be ****ing pissed.

OnTheWarpath15 11-23-2011 03:13 PM
http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/.../ortonjack.gif


Please don't report. Please don't report.

ChiefsCountry 11-23-2011 03:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by memyselfI (Post 8136134)
Before today, I would take Cassel over Orton anyday.
You should really quit posting about football because you don't know anything.

Hammock Parties 11-23-2011 03:15 PM
To the ship.

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/r.../KyleOrton.gif

keg in kc 11-23-2011 03:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8136145)
Both.

AdamSchefler Adam Schefler
The Chiefs have released Cassel, according to an NFL source.
1 minute ago
That would be an enormously positive sign for the future if it's true.

And I don't think we win any games with Orton, but I'd rather have depth at the position right now than not.

Hammock Parties 11-23-2011 03:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8136141)
http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/.../ortonjack.gif


Please don't report. Please don't report.
LMAO

C'mon, man.

We need a stopgap no matter the situation.

Carlota69 11-23-2011 03:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8136145)
Both.

AdamSchefler Adam Schefler
The Chiefs have released Cassel, according to an NFL source.
1 minute ago
NO ****ING WAY!!!! WOW.

BossChief 11-23-2011 03:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8136145)
Both.

AdamSchefler Adam Schefler
The Chiefs have released Cassel, according to an NFL source.
1 minute ago
If you are joking, you deserve to be banned FOREVER

Carlota69 11-23-2011 03:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 8136153)
That would be an enormously positive sign for the future if it's true.

And I don't think we win any games with Orton, but I'd rather have depth at the position right now than not.
BINGO

FringeNC 11-23-2011 03:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8136145)
Both.


The Chiefs have released Cassel, according to an NFL source.
Seriously?

Hammock Parties 11-23-2011 03:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8136145)
Both.

AdamSchefler Adam Schefler
The Chiefs have released Cassel, according to an NFL source.
1 minute ago
****ing ban.

jd1020 11-23-2011 03:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 8136153)
That would be an enormously positive sign for the future if it's true.

And I don't think we win any games with Orton, but I'd rather have depth at the position right now than not.
"Schefler"

lewdog 11-23-2011 03:16 PM
Don't joke about Cassel being released.

chefsos 11-23-2011 03:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8136145)
Both.

AdamSchefler Adam Schefler
The Chiefs have released Cassel, according to an NFL source.
1 minute ago
http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a...eifserious.jpg

rico 11-23-2011 03:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8136145)
Both.

AdamSchefler Adam Schefler
The Chiefs have released Cassel, according to an NFL source.
1 minute ago
WHATTTT?!?!?!? ROFL

rageeumr 11-23-2011 03:16 PM
@ClaytonESPN John Clayton
Kansas City had no choice but to claim Kyle Orton. They wouldn't win many games with Tyler Palko at quarterback.

Words of truth from my favorite football nerd.

jd1020 11-23-2011 03:17 PM
I wonder how many people just went to Schefter's twitter.

BoneKrusher 11-23-2011 03:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by memyselfI (Post 8136134)
Before today, I would take Cassel over Orton anyday. Guess I get both. LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO
Orton isn't Tom Brady but compared to Cassel he'll look like Brady with the Killer B's.LMAO

dirk digler 11-23-2011 03:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rageeumr (Post 8136175)
@ClaytonESPN John Clayton
Kansas City had no choice but to claim Kyle Orton. They wouldn't win many games with Tyler Palko at quarterback.

Words of truth from my favorite football nerd.
That's the point Clayton you idiot

God I hate this franchise more and more every day.

prhom 11-23-2011 03:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8136158)
If you are joking, you deserve to be banned FOREVER
+1, don't play us like that

journeyscarab 11-23-2011 03:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rageeumr (Post 8136175)
@ClaytonESPN John Clayton
Kansas City had no choice but to claim Kyle Orton. They wouldn't win many games with Tyler Palko at quarterback.

Words of truth from my favorite football nerd.
ROFL We call Clayton "the little football nerd" at home! LMAO

memyselfI 11-23-2011 03:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BoneKrusher (Post 8136180)
Orton isn't Tom Brady but compared to Cassel he'll look like Brady with the Killer B's.LMAO
Sure, he will. LMAO

The Franchise 11-23-2011 03:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8136145)
Both.

AdamSchefler Adam Schefler
The Chiefs have released Cassel, according to an NFL source.
1 minute ago
I hope you get banned.......and then run over by a car.


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