When you say you see people losing weight juicing are you referring to BB'ers cutting up for a show?

I wouldn't recommend anabolics to anyone that hasn't reached close to there natural peak.

Get the diet in check, hit the weights 4 times a week and use compound type movements... Bench, Squats, deads and some interval running if you are capable before messing with hormones.

Have you ever had any blood work done by a doc to check hormone levels? Testosterone? Thyroid?

Yeah, no. YOu didn't need that shit before, you don't need it now.

Right on! Thanks a million man. I really thought long and hard before putting myself out there like that again on this board. I really, really, appreciate it.

No, no. I don't mean steroids. Heh, my bad. I mean getting a juicer and drinking vegetables. I feel like an idiot now. I've never really lifted weights in my life. I don't know shit about it. That's a big problem for me. I can't afford a trainer and I'm scared I'm going to hurt myself and not be able to do cardio.

LOL. That's a pretty huge misunderstanding on my part. Juicing is good.

Awesome! I'm talking about straight up liquid only diet. No solids at all. I met a gal who has lost 109lbs since last October with zero exercise at all (physical condition prevents it) and I figure getting back into shape on top of it, I could absolutely kill what I did before.

What do you think?

I watched a movie once, called "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead". It's about that exact diet and the stories were pretty amazing.

You are missing out on the most beneficial part of a vegetable when you juice it. The fiber. Adjust your diet so that you are consuming foods that are much lower in calorie density and hit the gym.

Not a misunderstanding. That is the only kind of juice one would think was being referred to in a thread of this type.

That gal I was talking about has breast cancer. No chemo, no radiation and she is doing something called "The Gerson Miracle". She swears her cancerous tumors are coming out of her skin, draining, drying up, and falling off. She says her doctor did blood work and says she doesn't have the blood work of a cancer patient anymore. I need to get off of here and do some homework.

In any case, I appreciate you Brock. Sincerely. You've always been positive throughout my struggles with this shit, and I've never felt you judged me for any of it. I don't know you personally, but I know enough about you to know you're a good dude. And it means a lot to me. This place is really the only support system I have, everything else I do on my own, and alone. I'm good with it, but this place has been a God send for me just because it's ****ing hard sometimes and everyone needs some one to help them out and prod them along during the journey. So, thank you.

I agree. that's why I said I felt like an idiot. I should've known better.

That isn't necessarily true. If you drink a blended up bunch of vegetables, the fiber is still in it. I'm not sure what particular kind of juicer he's talking about, but most of them I've seen just grind up whole vegetables and you consume the whole thing.

That would be totally different. :thumb:

Shit, dude. That really sucks.

THIS!!!!!!

I'll definitely be looking for one of those. I made my own thread. You guys have doing this for years, and it's a hobby for you. I don't want to clutter up your thread with my bullshit, so I'll just drop in from time to time to ask questions if that's alright. I appreciate it fellas.

ROFL. I was going back and catching up on this thread. I pretty much immediately knew what Flopnuts was talking about, but it was pretty hilarious to see the subsequent posts misunderstanding him.

Flop: count and restrict those calories baby, get off your ass, and get to work!

OK, I take back my "THIS!!!!!" post. I was thinking of the fruit juice cleanses that a lot of people at my gym are trying. Yeah, I add kale to my protein shakes sometimes.

I would do way more cardio than weights to start with. Do your research on the lifts you want to do. Start without weight and make godDAMN sure you get the form right. make sure it burns where it is supposed to burn. Don't add any weight until you are absolutely sure your form is correct. Particularly with squat.

Need some advice. I recently switched my routine to the starting strength program (I'm on session 8), so far I love it except for one thing. Dead-lifts - I don't have anything against the exercise except that I must be doing it wrong.

The last two sessions with dead-lifts I've made it all the way to the 2nd to the last rep then I lose my form (focus) and hurt my lower back. It happened last Thursday and just again tonight, I probably should have waited a couple more days I just hate missing workouts. Anyone have any tips or advice on how to keep this from happening? What should I do in the meantime as I'm likely out of commission for a week or so?

What kind of shoes are you pulling in? What stance do you use? How are you hands positioned? What weight are you doing? How big are you?

Have you taken any videos to form check?

Running shoes
shoulder width stance
Middle fingers on the lines
Light - I'm 36 and have never done this lift so starting small- was using 130lbs tonight
6'3 - 190
no

Ditch the running shoes and get some flats. Cheapest Chuck Taylors you can find. That sounds like your hand width is too far but hard to tell without seeing it.

Being that tall I would recommend pulling Sumo style to decrease your ROM to the bar and increase your ability to stay upright since that is very likely what is causing your problems. If you decide to continue to pull conventional, work on pulling back into your body and don't bring the bar around your knees, instead push your knees back as you pull the bar straight upwards.

Get some vids if you can, as it is really hard to judge without seeing. Sure you might feel lame but it is better than continuing to hurt yourself.

JMO but if you feel you're losing your form you need to stop right there.

And I think you're starting out at too high a weight if you've never done them before. Especially with that frame. I'm 6'2 and have had the same problem and spent 2 months in PT to work me out of back pain. I can tell when I'm tweaking my lower back too much.

Well I'm no expert, but it sounds like you should go with less weight until you're able to keep form 100% of the time.

Probably the truth, though 130 lbs. for a dude of his size isn't particularly heavy. I agree with switching to sumo style. I'm tall and lanky, and it's much more natural for me and puts less stress on the lower back.

Also agree with the flats instead of the running shoes.

Also, don't try to keep working through an injury. Take a break from that exercise, or at least don't try to go nuts with the SS progression until you're confident in your form with a lower weight.

Started at a new gym today. They have a "No Grunting" rule.

This really annoys me.

I think that is a pretty dumb rule but in all honestly, loud grunting is very rarely necessary even for those of us who life heavy and near max weight.

Only time I do it is at the top of a heavy front squat as this quick release of air tends to not make me black out from holding air so tight in the bottom.

What? The common motto in weightlifting is "if you don't breathe you'll die"

The "No chalk" rule is the most annoying for me.

"Hey, safety equipment? **** that!"

I still use chalk. I just keep it in a ziplock back inside a bigger bag with my micro plates. DAMN THE MAN! SAVE THE EMPIRE!

My gym allows chalk but I try to be very courteous with it and keep it in a bag and put it right next to where I am working. Gotta have it

I love the dudes that lift with gloves though, that shit just cracks me up!

WTF? Do they just not want to vacuum or what?

I guess. I've never been bitched at about it, though.

Dude, I wear gloves because any free weight over 60 pounds tears the shit out of my hands.

It can be a pain in the ass to clean up when it's sprinkled all across a nice black gym floor.

Jesus christ, MAN THE **** UP.

Use chalk. That way, the bar won't slip and tear up your hands. Is also safer than gloves.

Having torn blisters the size of silver dollars isn't a great feeling, which has happened once when I forgot them.

Stop being a pussy.

I hope that's sarcasm, because ****ing blood all over my shirt afterwards pissed me off. I was curling 70 pounds with proper technique when it happened.

You should invest in callouses.

You should be getting calluses, not blisters. Not sure if you should get either though with a 70lb curl.

Either way, get some chalk or liquid chalk.. ditch the gloves.

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Ronnie Coleman disagrees

Your not on gallons of PED's, shrugging 200lb dumbell's. Your curling 70lbs on a barbell, which is right on par for most 17yr old females. Man up and ditch the gloves.

Ronnie was a powerlifter before getting into BB. He knows all bout 'da chalk.

dumbbells, 70 pound dumbbells

Planet fitness. for 10 bucks a month, you can't beat it.

LMAO

I see people talking about the Starting Strength program, is that this?:

http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wi...inner_Programs

I pretty much do that now, except i've been doing 5 sets of 8, at lower weights. I'm a pussy and can't lift much, although i've improved quite a bit since i've started.

do 10 to 12 reps a flat rate, but at lower weights it's all about perfecting the technique at medium to medium slow speed while your repping it out to 10-12. compound movements ( combine two exercises in one rep helps for variation too)

The bad thing about that is that, because it's only $10 a month, there are 1000 people there at any given time. I took a tour at about 1:00 at my local one and there were lines at damn near every machine. 1:00! I wouldn't even want to see how many people there are after 5:00 when people get off work.

:rolleyes:

Starting strength is one of many good beginner programs. It has very basic strength programming without any fluff. Wendler 5/3/1 is another popular (more advanced) strength program.

lol wut LMAO

Yeah, there are some crowd issues from Monday-Wednesday from around 4:30-7:30. At my location, any time outside of those peak hours is as good as gold. A lot of them in my area have made the 24-hour switch which helps as well.

I still have issues with the lack of free weight equipment and weekend hours. I really prefer free-weight bench press and squat racks but my gym has none and the place closes at 9 pm on Fridays and 7pm Saturdays and Sundays which blows.

Grunting and dropping weights are not really issues for me. I rarely ever do either; but at the same time I recognize the fact that I don't lift as hard as some others. I think it's stupid to outlaw that kind of shit. It's a gym. If people feel intimidated by others working out then they're just big, fat pussies and need to toughen up anyway.

It works great for chest, deltoid, trap, bicep, tricep exercises at low to medium weight at medium speed .

Hell, I thought they were all 24 hour. I can see why they'd have crowding problems.

why on earth would you want to do medium weight at medium speed, over heavy weight at maximum speed. :banghead:

easy, to make the muscle dense and cut first to avoid injury when you do heavy weight to prevent injury. You flex the focused muscle(s) while doing the rep with proper technique without jerky movement that could **** up your joints and cause tears in the ligaments when the lifter's body isn't fully prepared to do heavier to maxed out weight and reps.

so lifting medium to light weights makes the muscle cut? Has nothing to do with caloric input? Jeez we been doing it wrong all these years! :banghead:

da fuk am I wasting time doing all these heavy deads & squats when I should be going light. Stupid football strength coaches messed me up!! :#

You got a pic homie? Wanna see how dense and cut you are while poppin' blisters curling 70lbs dumbells (which you consider your light/medium weight) for strict slow reps of 10-12.

Blisters. LMAO If you got blisters lifting weights, you're doing it wrong.

What kind of gym doesn't have a bench press and squat rack?

PF.

Has to be the right calories, carbohydrate intake, and protein, or that shit will go to your stomach. Chill, dude it works for me. First I got my muscle dense and cut by doing the light to medium variation then did the heavy and maxed out weight. Then I alternated with pure power exercises, then mixed heavy and muscle isolation with light and heavy weight, then the compound movements I was talking about for further variation but the key element is the perfection of the technique and form without jerky speed that will **** up your joints.

I just can't take anything you say serious based off the fact that you got a blister from curling. Curious as to your #'s on core lifts..

not that heavy since I had a stroke which affected my left side with significant atrophy. So for me it's all about technique, so chill out.

Really?

If strength is your goal, then yeah, really. Bar speed is important when moving weight, the faster the bar moves, whether its medium or heavy, the more force is applied. More force = more fast twitch recruitment.

Assuming you aren't using momentum in the lifts.

True dat. Love those guys bouncing deadlifts for reps!

lol

That's not what a compound exercise is.

Speed doesn't **** up your joints. Improper form ****s up your joints. Going too fast can cause you to ignore good form, but it's not the underlying issue. Big power lifters can also have ****ed up joints from the repetitive stress of lifting huge amounts of weight, but it's certainly not a speed issue.

And if you are moving the appropriate amount of weight, you won't be able to move the bar that fast, anyway.

both are very relative when someone is just focusing on putting up the weight and unable to lower it down properly which I went over with correct technique and feeling the muscle contract when you flex while doing 10-12 reps.

Again, that isn't a speed issue.

really you are a doctor?

Anytime someone mentions feeling the muscle contract I know for a fact they don't squat or deadlift!

I have never once given a shit about feeling a muscle contract.

:facepalm:

We are getting trolled in the fitness thread!!!

The **** does that matter? I know the problem. If you are using weights that you can hurt yourself by moving too quickly, you aren't using the right amount of weight.

I couldn't tell if he was trolling or not. If your trying to pull 500 for a triple, you sure as hell aren't going to control the negative or try and 'feel' the muscle.. your going to try and pull as fast as you can (even though the bar may move slow).

For sure, that is Muscle and Fitness talk!

I have gotten relatively big, although not super strong by powerlifting standards and I have never gave a shit how the muscle "felt" while I lifted weight. I continuously try to add weight to the bar while focusing on Squats, Deads, Military Press and Bench to start every workout I ever do.