This is wrong.

It's the exact opposite.

How much did you lose? And what was your diet/exercise routine?

130 pounds.

3x lifting a week with random cardio mixed in.

JFC that's a lot of weight. Congrats.

Did you just cut out sugar and junk food?

Medical science says otherwise. Your body protects itself when you don't eat for a long period of time by storing fat. Then when you do eat your body craves carbs to fill the void and you eat to much. Not a good way to lose weight.

Except that for the most part, to eat healthy, you have to spend a lot of money and often a lot of time (in order to prepare your own meals). For the busy person, especially one who works on a budget, this is not easy. It would be hella easier if there were fast food places or plenty of quick grocery options that weren't somehow tainted with salt and additives. Walk down the grocery aisle and you have to read a gazillion labels just to find something that's healthy for you.

Yeah, people need to take responsibility for their actions, but it shouldn't have to be as difficult as it is to make the right decisions. People don't have the time or patience for that.

Some medical science for Clayton. Do you think the Mayo Clinic knows about medicine Clay?

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/fas...d-food/MY02157

Or how about WebMD?

Further, when you start fasting, your body goes into conservation mode, burning calories more slowly.

You are wrong.

I have never had better fat loss results than when I am fasting.

I just started eating better and working out. I used to drink a shit ton of calories, now I almost never drink any calories at all.

I eat out a couple of times a week. Not fast food. And I only eat whole grains, and no potatoes (sweet potatoes are ok). It can be hard to find things to eat, but in most restaurants you can.

The bottom line is that if you want to eat healthy you can. Trust me. I live in the highest cost of living state on the country, and fruit and veggie prices are through the roof. I also took a 25% pay cut in January. Times have been tough, but I still manage to buy healthy foods. I've had to cut back on other things, but sacrificing entertainment for health is a good trade off.

First off, you said "but in the short term your body will stop burning fat and start storing it." This is absolutely false. Ketogenic diets (which work -- "medical science" has proven it time and time again) are based upon the principle that your body will switch to FFA for energy during periods of fasting and low/no carbohydrate intake.

It's true that your body will begin to slow its metabolism in response to decreased caloric intake, but this is a function of the degree to which you are in a caloric deficit and not specific to fasting.

It may not be YOUR preferred way to lose weight, as not everyone has the willpower to not only fast, but to not crash out (which is why refeed/recycle days on a fast/ketogenic diet are so important, not only physiologically, but mentally, as well). But to call it "not a good way to lose weight" is blatantly false, and quite frankly, ignorant of current dietary research, theory and practice.

See my previous post citing the Mayo Clinic and Web MD, smart guy. I'm sure you know more than the top medical experts. :doh!:

As I previously posted, the Mayo Clinic and Web MD disagree with you. You are pushing snake oil. A fad diet.

Doctors VS. dietary "research" by people not qualified. Easy choice.

What periods of time were you fasting?

Who did he almost blow.....

away.

I eat healthy. But it's mostly because I cook my own meals. And I didn't learn how to shop at a grocery store until 3 years ago, when I followed a plan that only allowed for a certain amount of carbs, protein, dairy, etc.... Only then did I really know what I was doing.

It's not easy for someone who has to choose between a million fad diets (many of which are complete scams), who doesn't realize that there are better ways to work out than running all the time, and who doesn't have time to read every label/cook their own meals.

Hopefully not Mexico or India

The Mayo Clinic and WebMD aren't up to date on their research. I'm not trying to attack you. It's simply that research proves their assertions incorrect, and there is a LOT of it.

Metabolic rate increased after 48 hours of no food (not that anyone practicing Intermittent Fasting does this on any kind of regular basis):
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2405717

Metabolic rate increased in days 1-4 of 84 hrs without food (again, not something that a fasting diet teaches you to do, but it's sufficient to make the point):
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10837292

There are literally hundreds of peer-reviewed research papers you can find on places like Pubmed that have to do with fasting, its benefits (AND the negatives of it), and the results that people have with such diets. It very well may BE a "fad," but that doesn't make it ineffectual.

There are an incredibly large number of very smart people who have gone out of their way to research these kinds of diets very thoroughly, and they freely display the information, as well as links to all of the research so that you can see for yourself, on their websites. Alan Aragon, Martin Berkhan, Lyle McDonald . . . all great minds that support IF protocols. Alan Aragon was even offered the job as the team nutritionist for the L.A. Kings. A "snake oil" salesman he is not.

I'm simply saying that you should do a bit more research than just a cursory scan of the internet before making such declarative statements. We should all be perpetual students. And it's okay to be wrong. It's just not okay to continue to be obstinate in the face of evidence. And if newer, better research begins to come out that shows IF to be a bad thing, I'll have no choice but to agree. We haven't reached that point, though.

So, if you want, leangains.com, alanaragonblog.com, bodyrecomposition.com are all good places that you can go to easily and quickly find all kinds of scientific information showing why such diets work, how to do them properly and how to avoid the pitfalls of them.

I think you were the one that suggested the shredded wheat to me. If so, thanks. Works like a charm. I eat the little ones with a good amount of cinnamon.

Today I had a container of Odwalla berry juice, vanilla yogurt over sliced strawberries with cinnamon, two tuna sandwiches (mustard and sliced tomato/jalapeno/cucumber on high fiber toasted wheat bread) and a bowl of mini wheats cereal sprinkled with cinnamon. I did snack on some pan roasted unsalted peanuts.

I bought a juicer. My magic formula is 2 apples, 2 pears

I almost shit out an actual boot.

Nice. I was thinking of getting a juicer. There are so many out there though and I don't want to get a crappy one. I'm going to do some research. And...good night.

I just eat oranges and apples. It slides out with no mess. It's kind of awesome.

High fiber makes for some tough tear jerking shits.

Eh, off and on. I didn't start doing it until I was sub 220. It has been instrumental in getting and staying around the 180 mark. It's a very valuable weight management tool if you like to eat shitty food. I just bought a package of chocolate covered oreos.

I know what works for me. Fasting ****ing rocks.

Eh, I am just at that point where I'm a little overweight. I'm 5'10" 200 lbs.

Doesn't sound very big, but I am a little overweight. I run often, but I eat horribly. Soda's junk food (hmmm T Bell), snacks like little debbies and doughnuts are my absolute weakness. I can't quit them and don't know how to substitute it.
I can lose weight fairly fast because I like to run about 10 miles a week as a stress reliever, but I gain it all back. I simply can't keep my weight down consistently.

Then try fasting, mi amigo.

And I would absolutely dump the sugary soda regardless of all else.

What is a good substitute for soda?

Diet soda.

I gotcha. What are some good diet soda's that don't taste like shit?

FWIW I love Pepsi next and it has 60% less sugar and like half the calories. I might stick to that.

I never took 60 minutes seriously after they did a story that claim Paul Simon was nothing until he made an album with an African vocal group. Really? Bridge over Troubled Water was a warm up song? F you liberal extremist aholes.

I've seen people saying that be been eating sugar since the beginning of time and this whole thing is bullshit. Well, to be fair, that is correct, we have been eating sugar since the days of Jesus. However, that was natural sugars. In the last 30 years or so(?), since the beginning of artificial sweeteners and the sugar lobbyist etc...sugar intake is way out of control. Its been put into almost everyting, and of course They didnt use. to process the shiit out of sugar back in the day either. Sugar is more addictive than heroin, just look how angry certain people are getting at thought of someone saying its bad. Also, watching someone quitting sugar is like watching a horror movie. They get mean, ugly, angry and they'd get close to going on a killing spree.

Aspartame is the biggest evil that hasn't been around since the dawn of time. It's loaded with all kinds of horrible shit, Including formaldehyde. The story of how it finally got past the FDA in the 70s is pretty interesting as well.

Natural sugar is good, artificial or too much "processed" sugar is bad. But, ill take processed over artificial any ****ing day.

so, with what we know, why is our gov't (who is our "primary healthcare administrator") subsidizing HFCS and smiling to suggest it is a good thing we do as a farm community, while our best, healthiest source of sugar (fruits, cane) are not at all subsidized and in fact are frowned upon by those in power over the past 50 years?

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Because the more people become overweight, the more medical complications become apparent. The FDA makes a ton of money off medication for obesity, high blood pressure, cholesterol, type-II diabetes. Why would they ban something that brings them so much money??

Aspartame does not contain formaldehyde or other "horrible shit". It is composed of two amino acids (proteins) - L-aspartic acid and L-phenylalanine - that occur naturally in food. These two proteins are held together with a methyl ester backbone.

When it is metabolized in the body, the methyl ester breaks down into methanol. The methanol makes up 1/10 of the residual components of the aspartame so it's only a small part.

To metabolize methanol, a small amount of formaldehyde is produced. This sounds scary but formaldehyde is actually an important substance in the body and is used in a lot of different processes (every cell in the body can process formaldehyde) . Our own bodies produce 50 mg of formaldehyde a day. The stuff is only harmful if you were to drink it straight or are exposed to industrial levels of the stuff for years at a time.

Methanol is found in higher concentrations in natural foods like fruits and vegetables. A glass of fruit juice will produce more formaldehyde than a glass of Diet Pepsi.

Here's a nice breakdown of what our bodies do with it:

http://www.harpocratesspeaks.com/201...gredients.html

Diet A&W Root Beer is kickass. I also like the Diet Cherry Coke Zero. Hardly tastes like diet drinks.

Pibb Extra is another good one. I generally stick with the "cherry" diets, though I have been drinking them long enough now that I don't mind the reg diet stuff.

I've been drinking diet sodas (first Coke and then Pepsi) for so long that regular soda seems horribly sweet. Even the new "10" sodas that have a little sugar in them but are still super low calorie seem too sweet.

Unfortunately you have to read all the labels. There are a lot of "whole wheat" breads that have enriched white flour as the main ingredient - in other words white bread with a little whole wheat flour added. You HAVE to read the label on bread to make sure you get 100% whole wheat or whole grain. The same with a lot of other foods.

I have done well with a few simple rules for healthy eating that are fairly easy to keep. Only whole grains. 100% whole grain bread, brown rice, quinoa, etc. No white potatoes. Lots of fresh fruits and vegetables (avoiding only the few that have a high glycemic index like watermelon). Lean meats (chicken, pork, quality steak, fish). If you do these things you can lose a lot of weight and do it in a healthy way without too much hassle.

But you do still need to exercise. I've lost 40 lbs and kept it off for a year with this diet and exercise.

There really is no shortcut that is healthy and will let you live a healthy lifestyle for the rest of your life. Too many lose some weight with fad diets, then go back to their old lifestyle and gain it all back (or more). A complete and permanent change of lifestyle is best. And it requires dedication and hard work, but is worth it. I'm 51 and in the best shape of my life - and I feel great.

yep, and so the 'loop' is closed.

Zero $$$ for orange growers.

Endle$$ deep pockets of cash subsidies for corn -- by far, the most soil intensive food crop grown in america. As an energy source it is equally toxic to environmental efficiency.

Still bad for you (even though I'm an addict.)

The various water flavorings with low sugar content are pretty good...

Youre right. I went and found what I had read, a a few years back, and I mistook 'all the shit in it" with all the shit it could do to you.
All in all, still a big NO THANK YOU to artificial sweetners.

Yeah I totally look like Brad Pitt too. If he'd been beaten with a sock full of Irish Spring bars.

Have you ever had a brown rice tortilla? Trader Joes has them here. I cant find them anywhere else. Makes the best quesadillas!

I've been experimenting with sugar substitutes.

What can you tell me about "organic" blue agave?

Thanks.

Stop being so senstitive, fatso.

Can't help it, love me some sugar.

Not sure if serious...

If so, agave syrup is almost pure fructose (90%). If you freak out about high fructose corn syrup (45-55% fructose), then agave syrup isn't for you.

Fructose in large amounts can be harmful to the liver but normal amounts are fine. If you are mainlining the stuff, prepare for fatty liver disease.

Wait second. It' says "organic" on the label.

You mean I just bought a bottle of what amounts to Nestle Quick chocolate syrup? :spock:

Damn, I just looked at the label on all my salad dressings and they all have fructrose.

Is there any way to get away from the stuff? It's in ketchup, soup...

You can buy organic Pop Tarts. It's still crap food, just more expensive.

So what you're telling me is I'm never going to lose my gut, and I may as well enjoy myself and pick up a case of beer and say eff it.

Yes sir. We're all going to die one day soon anyway. :thumb:

Blueberry?

Those re sooo tasty! :thumb:

I need to lose some belly fat and put on some upper body muscle fast. I'm gonna start working out on a schedule and try to stick to it this time. Is there any good legal substances to help me?

HGH

I only drink Diet Dr. Pepper.

Diet Sunkist is pretty good too, as is Diet Ginger Ale.

BTW the chocolate covered oreos were kind of a let down. I'd rather eat the chocolate stuffed ones.

Green tea extract, EC stack, creatine.

I haven't, but I'd like to try them. We don't have Trader Joe's here, but I haven't seen them at the health food store I go to. I am partial to Beanitos chips, like Doritos made from beans. Crispy and great for dipping in salsa. Better than Doritos IMO.

chocolate stuffed and mint oreo's will destroy me. I could literally eat an entire package in one setting. LMAO

I had like 6 last night. Glorious.

But still not that great.

Try brown sugar cinnamon pop tarts.

Haha. They should have cashiers slap the shit out of anyone who tries to buy those.

I highly recommend water.

I can't afford fancy Pop Tarts? I'm not sure how you arrived at that conclusion, but it is completely irrelevant.

As Frosty pointed out, it's still shit food. If you want to eat healthy, Pop Tarts aren't the answer... even if they say "organic" on the label. (Sugar is organic but I wouldn't sit and eat it by the spoonfull) If you want to eat like shit, just buy the regular Pop Tarts.

I ate 15 mint oreos for breakfast and it was off impulse.

DON'T LOOK AT ME I HATE MYSELF...I'M A FATTY!!!!!!!!!!!

You were prolly thinking about this thread. The power of suggestion is strong.

then try to use as much non-processed sugar as you can


with sugar the less it's processed the better

the rest of us hate you too so just look at it as 'joining the crowd'


you're part of something bigger than yourself now ... and that's pretty dam big.