you can't defend the argument that you put on the table.

Can you Explain to me how replacing Albert with Joeckel improves the team more than a QB?

How does adding a 3rd pass rusher with Major health concerns improve the team more than a QB?

Are these players going to make the offense any better?

I can't figure out your reasoning.

You are aware of how bad our QB position is, right?

:LOL:

Rambozo Dave has asked you this time and time again. Would you please tell us..

"What position is the most important?"

We've had 2 drafts with the new CBA. But that's irrelevant. We can't base our strategy on any other year. Especially last year which featured the greatest rookie QB class in forever.

Most here aren't looking at Tannehill. He has nothing to do with this draft. All you're doing is making comparisons to other drafts, and using that to justify avoiding QB. But that's not how it works.

And I completely agree that it's not just about the talent level of the QBs. But in this draft, there aren't any other positions with standout players that could be seen as can't miss prospects.

So what we're left with is a class with no definitive standouts at any position. Since there's no standouts at any position, it lessens the allure of BPA, and puts focus on which player can best help the Chiefs' specific situation. If we look at the Chiefs, we see that they've heavily addressed the OLine over the last few drafts, and already have a well above average LT. What they don't have, is a single QB worth 2 shits.

Even though the QBs in this draft don't exhibit assurances as highly as last year's draft, it's still a guarantee that there will be one or more playoff caliber QBs from this class. Even though the risk is higher than last year with QB, the reward for getting it right completely dwarfs the reward for getting any other position right. While the risk of bust remains the same.

Then you're not actually 100% for drafting a QB.

Good post and question.

We have a new regime. We don't know which players they value yet but, we do know their off season histories.

Andy Reid has traded in his first pick seven times in the last ten years. He has traded up five of those seven times to get the guy he wants. Unlike most coaches or GMs, Reid also trades players. That is pretty rare these days. For example, last year he traded for Demco Ryans and traded Asante Samuel away. The year before he traded Kolb for a CB and a draft pick even though he needed a QB. Hell, he even traded the player he grew up with (McNabb) to a divison rival. Reid doesn't give a shit. He will always go for the guy he wants no matter what. Also, if you aren't helping him, he is going to waste time with you. He isn't going to hang around and wait very long for guys to develop. If Reid doesn't absolutely love one of these QBs and really really want them, there is no way he will take one at #1.

Dorsey has talked about the Packer way over and over. He has been adament about sticking to his draft board and cited specific players he took when he did not have a need at their position. I think he's a pretty straight forward guy and has been pretty upfront about that. You can look for hidden meanings and conspiracy theories all you want but, I am taking his word for what it is.

Right now, Brandon Albert is almost dictating the draft. If he signs a deal, we probably won't draft a tackle number one but, we might. If he is franchised, there is a very real possibility we will take a tackle. I'm sure we would try to trade him and we probably wouldn't wait until next year to sign him. LTs aren't like WRs for example. He will have potential suitors unlike Bowe. LTs are hard to find. There are teams that need a LT who are not in a good postion to get one. There are two, maybe three guys in this draft that look like they could play LT. Take St. Louis for example. They have the #16 and #22 picks. If they offered that for a tagged Albert, we can't pass it up. We could take an OT at #1, a QB at #16, and LB, DE, NT or CB at #22. Note that per the new cba, trading a franchise players requires two first round picks in return. Say we keep Albert? We could still take a OT #1. This will be the last year of Winston's deal. Yeah, Stephenson played well but, does Reid think he's the answer? Reid values linemen on both sides of the ball above all else. He comes from the old school of thought that if you can't protect a QB then you don't have a QB. Furthermore, think about his experience in Philly last year. One could argue that a lack of o-line depth cost him his job.

Is our o-line good? I mean we know they can run block but, can they pass block? I know there are pff stats and all and they were ranked 7th but our passing game sucked. It wouldn't be "out there" to think that maybe our o-line was overrated. I trust Reid to watch the tape.

We don't know about Jarvis Jones medical history. I can tell you I am a Bulldogs fan and have watched every game he played in there. I don't remember him ever getting hurt and he literally plays as hard as Polamalu. He is hard on his body and intense as hell. What if he is fine? What if the physical goes great? Tamba Hali is going to be 30 years old this year and going into the downside of his career. If Reid likes Jones, I could see him trading tamba in a heartbeat. There are teams that would be interested and that could get us back into the first round to take a QB.

We are losing one, probably two DEs. We are going to need some DEs.

The point is that I am open minded and am expecting some "craziness" out of the new regime. I expect a vet to get traded this year. I am keeping an open mind and looking at everything. Getting back into the first will not be that hard. We have some talent that we can trade and we have the best pick in every round.

Make no mistake. I would prefer not to gamble on a QB falling to the second round and I plan on the Chiefs moving back into the first round. I see this as the most likely scenario. I think the new regime has prepping us for this scenario with several comments that were made about a 2-3 year window. If they can't get back into the first, they want us to be ready for it.

So you'd rather draft Joeckel and Glennon/Dysert than get Geno or Wilson?

It won't be long before he has the whole board on ignore.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

What talent at other positions?

Luke Joeckel isn't elite. Star Lotulelei isn't elite. Jarvis Jones has medical issues.

It's obvious you're NOT considering the talent at other positions. Either that or you know nothing about football.

It's quite possible this is the dumbest football-related post anyone here has ever made.

No, I take that back.

The offensive line was ranked 7th, but they were the problem for the offense sucking shit.


I'm convinced that Black Bob is Scott Pioli.

The first draft was per the old cba rules even though it occurred after the new agreement was reached.

There may not be a definative stand out like Luck last year or Clowney will be next year but, that's always the case when there isn't a sure thing QB going #1. It hasn't happened much lately. Mario Williams and Jake Long were the last two that weren't QBs.

There is a ton of talent at the top of this draft. Far more talent than there is at the QB position. I think most NFL people would disagree about your theory that taking a QB would not set you back 2-3 years. It absolutely would despite the new cba. It's not about losing the money. It's about losing the talent all around and you are going to continue picking early over and over never getting anywhere.


You guys should not even say the word superbowl. We just need to put together a solid team right now. Soon, maybe we can win a playoff game but, talking about the Superbowl is ridiculous. We have been in this position so many times over the last decade that I can't believe the homerism at times.

Our pass game sucked because of THE QUARTERBACK

TL: UR****INGreerunED: DR

There's no such thing as a sure-fire pick at the QB. You're a ****ing reerun. You have no intelligence and have no idea what you are talking about. Do us all a favor - since your head is firmly up your own asshole, start eating shit instead of typing it on the message board.

How did it work out for the Dolphins to pass on the interception-prone Matt Ryan and take the "safe" Jake Long route?

"Safety" doesn't equal more wins, you ****ing moron. It means you're only prolonging the misery and woe.

Let's say you fall down a deep pit in the middle of nowhere and survive with no real injuries. It's been a couple days, you're dehydrated, hungry, and going nuts. You figure you can stay alive for another week by drinking ground water and your own urine.

Somebody miraculously comes across you. They have some rope, but it's kind of frayed in spots, and in your condition using the rope to get out of the pit is pretty risky. You could fall down and sustain some critical injuries. The person says they're lost as well, and therefore may not be able to find help in enough time.

What's the riskier option? Using the rope to GET OUT of the ****ing hole, or passing on the rope to drink groundwater and urine, waiting for days and prolonging your misery for who knows how long?

Oh I get it. If Matt Cassel were to make a cameo on Man vs. Wild, he would be Bear Grylls urine.

Why would busting on a QB be worse than busting on a OL or LB with the first pick? The money isn't going to be any different.

And you're pointing out players taken 5 and 6 years ago to support your notion that non-QBs can be valuable at the top. Doesn't that show you something? Your best examples happened over 5 years ago.

And you can't sit here and say picking the wrong QB at #1 would set us back 2-3 years as opposed to picking another position, and then follow it up with "We have been in this position so many times over the last decade". Why have we been in this position? Because we haven't tried committing to a ****ing QB. Teams who don't have a franchise QB, and don't bother trying, end up in this position frequently. There's an obvious connection there. That's why it's so damn important to try when you have the opportunity. You get it right by taking a chance and using the top pick on the most important position. The position that provides the greatest opportunity for team improvement. Replacing tackles could make one position on the OLine better. Replacing a QB could make the entire offense better. We've seen evidence of this over and over the last few years.

Pussy footing around and hoping the perfect QB falls in your lap unexpectedly has proven much less effective than acquiring the best one in the draft. People have offered up clear evidence of this time and time again. The Chiefs are evidence enough of this. The best way to go from 2-14 to playoffs, is to improve QB play. That's not opinion.

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wrong thread?

Rambozo trying to tell 80% of the board that they're wrong. Drafting a LT does not improve the team, it only saves us money. I expect a little more from the #1 pick. You go through the draft to improve your team and make it feasible for the long run. You might no like our Geno Smith answer but its the only one that makes sense. You're looking at the oline and ignoring Matt Cassel and Brady Quinn. If Geno is only the sixth ranked player in the draft does it really matter?

Blackbob is no longer annoying. He's evil.

He's the kind of stupid that leads to terrible things in the world. The Holocaust. Worldwide famine. Child armies in Africa.

Can he take Como with him?

So, instead of getting the best option for our biggest position of need, we'll get the 5th or 6th rated slapdick that won't amount to squat. Awesome!!!! ROFL

That isn't true. For one thing, Joeckel's ceiling is higher than Albert's. So, although that in itself is not a good reason to do it, we certainly could feel strongly that Joeckel is going to improve the team.

Secondly, Albert is 28 - not old, but not young either - and has back problems. It wouldn't be out of the question to suggest letting Albert go and taking a tackle in the draft. It all depends on what the team knows about his back.

We've got about 15 "positions of need".

Be obtuse if you want. The team has enough complimentary talent to compete for a Super Bowl with an elite QB. Good thing their are potential talents available this year and we have the number one pick. **** Kiper and the rest. Anyone that wants to blow the number one pick on a LT and let Albert walk is not the brightest.

Yeah, no.

And LT and pass rusher aren't one of those positions of need.

So take the QB.

Alright dumb****.

How many teams have a number one caliber reciever, an elite runningback, a top 10 O-line, probowl caliber players at safety and corner, an All Pro MLB, and 2 high level pass rushers?

The San Francisco 49ers and the Baltimore Ravens.

And boom goes the dynamite.

Best athlete available. More chances than not, he will fall into a position of need.

Holy balls, we've been "Kiper'd"

You forgot rape.

Not this year.

So... QB.

The best available player this year is a Quarterback.

In one of those posts black bob said Bowe would have NO suitors.

Jesus dude
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How do you know Jackoff's ceiling is higher?

Improve the team more than a QB? **** off, reerun.

Also, Albert has missed 7 starts out of a possible 80.

Go play in traffic.

Someone IP check that douche

Good for him.

Let's lock this guy up, draft Geno and move this shit forward as fast as possible.

With Allen getting a lot of reps at the end of the season, I think we're going to have a pretty solid line by the time the season rolls around. Albert and Winston are pretty nice bookends and I still think that Hudson is going to end up a star. Asamoah and Allen should be more than adequate at guard.

Let's get it on!

I hope not.

Anybody read the article on Colquitt today? He mentions that he has met with Reid and Dorsey...

Albert hasn't said that he's met with them. Should we read into that at all?

Why meet with the punter and not your LT?

"Half" is overstating it. But this is a very good point. If you have a rare top pick of the draft, you better make damn sure the QB you take with it is capable of game change or game rescue. Is there one of those in this year's draft?

Drafting a game manager at QB will also have that effect. Don't you agree? Again are you sure we have more than potential game managers in this draft? If you convince me Geno Smith (or any other QB in this year's draft) is more than a potential game manager I'll be not only on his bandwagon but I'll grab the reigns.

Geno is much more than a game manager. Great vision, precise accuracy, calm in the pocket. He's able to progess through multiple reads without getting raddled. Can make every throw in the book. Whether its a timing route, quick route, deep route or fade route. He can make every throw, and isn't scared to do so.

Geno and Wilson have the potential to be MUCH more than game managers.

Furthermore, the only way you'll ever know is to DRAFT THEM.

Look at what Reid was able to do with guys like Kolb and Vick.

Geno, Wilson and Barkley all are better than Kolb and Vick.

If we listen to these tards we'll end up with Landry Jones

Albert said his agent has been talking to Dorsey.

Minus the Barkley name I agree. Kolb and Vick both have strong arms, Barkley does not.

and AIDS

Oh jesus.

Geno Smith a Game Manager style QB. :rolleyes:

Geno Smith will Tom Brady/Peyton Manning you with extremely accurate short passes all day until the defense starts to bite, and then he launches it for a 50 yard TD bomb. This happens over and over and over and over at WV.

Game Managers rely on their running game and defense. You are talking 1990 football.

I'd take Barkley over Kolb or Vick IN A HEARTBEAT.

That's a tough comparison. The reason I wouldn't take Barkley over those guys is because you essentially would be saying Barkley is your QB of the future. With Kolb or Vick those guys are stop-gap guys.

Nope. Cross-thread action in reference to:

Learning curve.

You are overthinking this. QBs are given more time to develop than any other position and for good reason. It's the hardest position to transition from college to pro. While you are waiting to find out for 2, 3, 4, or 5 years for your mediocre QB to develop, you are missing out on real ones. By the time you do try again, the players you drafted after him are ready to hit free agency.

You can say we should draft a QB year after year until we get one but, that's not going to happen. it's not realistic to do that over and over in the first round. If you do, your team will get old or leave via free agency and you won't have anything but a QB. You aren't going to be the Colts if you do that. It's not about money. It's about the loss of talent.

You guys can dream all night and day but, reality is very different. I think most Chiefs fans get it. For some reason, there are a lot of people here who don't. Maybe it's the stupid first round QB in Superbowls argument?

If you are a Chiefs fan, you shouldn't even be talking about a superbowl let alone a playoff win. You are like little kids asking for a b-day pony. It ain't going to happen guys. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

You're absolutely unequivocally wrong.

A #1 overall pick, whether QB, OT, or anything else, is going to be given ample time to succeed, many times too much time.

The standard you apply to the QB is simultaneously laughable and absurd.

Except this roster is chicken salad and not chicken shit.

ROFL That's why we are picking first instead of 30th.

Also, Think about how long we stuck with Brodie Croyle? How much has Stanzi played? What about Palko? He wasn't even drafted and made it a couple of years.

Most Chiefs fans get it.

It's the people who want a QB that don't.

Just when I think you can't say anything more stupid...

"Most" Chiefs fans evidently don't watch football, it's all about the tailgate and BBQ.

REAL teams have REAL fans that understand the value of the QB. That's why they're watching playoff games while we're debating draft picks in October.

well Knowmo, we have 6 ****ing pro bowlers, 1 that just went in 2010 and another who has been screwed.

The QB's and HC ****ed the team. It happens.

Brodie Croyle started ONE SEASON.

You're a moron.

Agreed, we have one the dumbest fan bases in football.

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Lets waste another year or 3 of those Pro bowlers careers by taking a left ****ing tackle,

Chiefs get Wilson/Geno at 1 and other impact players like one of the many CB's in round 2, we're in the playoff discussion next fall.

Enjoy your 2 more years of Bronco fun Knowmo, because the Chiefs have a competent staff for the first time since the 90's and we're gonna take over the division.

On defense, we need a CB, 2 DEs, a MLB, and a FS. What about offense? Do we have a WR under contract that can catch? How about a TE that can stay healthy? What about a LT? Do we have one of those under contract? How about an o-line that can pass block? What about a center?

Before you start with the Powe and Bailey etc. BS, just think about how they couldn't get on the field on a 2-14 team. Romeo has been coaching in this league forever. yeah, it didn't work out but he's not a dumbass.

You really think a QB is going to fix everything homer?

Yes

Here we go with the BS again. Bowe can't catch, Albert isn't signed.

Go the **** away.

Evidently we do. At least here....

This place is just one big QB tree farm. You can just grab a basket, walk up to a tree, and pick as many franchise QBs as you like. It's just peachy keen and as good as it gets. There are no bad ones. Only good ones. Even a blind guy can do it. :clap:

Bowe caught 15 TD's you stupid ****. Your Bronco WR's had way more drops than Bowe did this year.

Jackson will be back with a new deal with far less money.

Is Bowe under contract? Do you really think he'll sign with us? Are you sure Reid would want him? Is that a lock. Keep dreaming dude.

Also, I hate the Broncos.

Yeah, that's not even remotely close to the truth.

Of course Reid will want him.

Unlike you, he knows what good WRs look like.

all I know is if we take a QB at #1, any QB, and he busts I will forgive Reid and Dorsey

if we take anyone else and settle for an Alex Smith and we suck again I'll hate them

tired of retreads

Rambozo has just regained the lead for poster most likely to swallow elephant semen at the next tailgate.

Yep.

It's amazing that after 30 years of playing it safe in the draft and free agency, after 20 years with ZERO playoff wins, that a fanbase is STILL so scared of taking a risk.

even if they think BPA non QB at #1 and Alex Smith is our best chance I hope they give the fan base one freaking bone in my life and just take a QB so we can at least take all of this momentum they've given us to start the offseason and start a season fresh with a little ****ing optimism for once

Yeah but, Clark won't. I think that has been proven. It's not your money and it's not your job on the line. Think about it. Half of a GM's decison on a draft pick comes down to him watching his ass. The longer they've been there, the more they gamble.

They will take a QB in the draft. I am sure of that. I really think it will be in the first round but, it won't be at #1 overall.