if I could use one example when saying "stats don't paint the whole picture" I would use Carson Palmer's 2012 season as exhibit A.

Nah, he sucks out loud.

Like Geno v Baylor?

The guy make Cassel look like a good red zone QB

Not trying to pick a fight but for the most part Manning always had good O-lines until the last 2-3yrs in Indy. It was the Colts D that sucked ass in mediocrity and why the Colts O had to play with a slow pitch softball scoring mentality.

do people argue that Geno should go #1 because of his stats?

I personally think a shitty QB can make a decent line look like shit.

Cassel made our line look like shit in 2011. Orton produced just fine behind the very same line.

Palmer is a statue that holds the ball too long, doesn't make good reads and has spotty accuracy at best.

JMO

Montana (Steve Young)
Bono (Steve Young)
Grbac (Steve Young)
Green (Kurt Warner)
Huard (Tom Brady)
Cassel (Tom Brady)
Quinn (hahaha)
Orton (Tebow hahaa)

Insanity would indicate that the next Chiefs quarterback would be Alex Smith (Colin Kaepernick)

A guy asking for his release because he wants to be a starter.

Trading for or signing other teams trash: The Chiefs Way

Its the chiefs way.

Nothing can do that.

Also, a few of you probably need to take a step back.

Alex Smith is gonna get signed or traded to a team that wants him as a starter...not a guy that will be a stopgap.

I give us signing Alex Smith and drafting Geno (or any other QB in the first three rounds) about a .1% chance.

If we sign/trade for Alex Smith, he is THE GUY.

I don't think it necessarily a bad play... PROVIDED... we draft a QB early.

Htis' doesn't think both things can happen... and he may be right. If he is right I prefer to pass on Alex. If he is wrong, I would take a flier on both.

**** that. They had better not give up that much for smith. thats a Raiders deal.

Just saying. Alex Smith was playing at an above average level before being replaced this year.

That much is fact.

It's not like he's ancient in age, either.

If they had more leverage and the ability to hold him "hostage" for lack of a better term...I bet they could get a late 1st for him. I mean, he's probably between the 15th and 20th best QB in the NFL and you could probably argue he's between 10 and 15 (though I'd disagree).

It's not what WE want, but if you had to give him a VALUE GRADE...it has to be at least a 2nd round pick. Lets not kid ourselves.

I just have a hard time buying that Andy Reid is an Alex Smith fan.

but that's just if you put a grade on every player and didn't think about anything else...other than a value grade...not team, nothing.

being the 49ers are over the cap, have Kaep, and need/should make a quick decision...I bet if someone offers a 3rd he's gone.

did Baylor beat WV?
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I have a bad feeling about all of this.

worst case scenario is we land Smith, draft something else at #1, and take a QB in the 2nd or 3rd

don't like it, but whatever

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If we trade for Smith, we aren't gonna draft another QB in the second or third. If we did, I'd be shocked.

Smith is coming from a situation you jus described and wants out.

If we trade for him, h is our QB for the next 3 years.

he doesn't have any ****ing control of that

he has 2 years left on his contract

Andy Reid is ALWAYS taking QBs.

Come on. You all know how this goes.

I don't even care. I don't panic until I need to panic.

Well, he only has 2 years left on his deal if he's traded.

I will say this though, I'd rather have Reid, Dorsey and Alex Smith than Romeo, Pioli and Geno.

@evansilva: Offseason QB predictions: AZ - Glennon BUF - Nassib CLE - Mallett JAX - Geno KC - Alex Smith NYJ - Flynn PHI - Vick (pay cut). Cassel to NE.

He is requesting his release because he doesn't want to be a backup.

A team would have to want to trade for him as a starter...the 49ers wouldn't try to trade him to a team that wants to spend the top pick on a QB (or the 34th pick, even) and immediately create another controversy similar to the one Alex is trying to get out of.

I'll flip shit if we get sorry ass Alex Smith. He's garbage.

Like the 49ers are going to accommodate that.

Alex is going to be free to shop his services, but there's no way the 49ers are cutting an asset.

He'll find a team that wants him, and then they'll work out compensation. He's not hitting the open market. They should flip the Jets a 2nd and Smith for Revis.

Alex Smith ended his season going 27 for his last 29 with 4 TD's!!!!

They wouldn't ave to. The only teams calling would see the writing on the wall...he wants out of a situation he isn't he starter in.

Knowing that's why he wants out, who would trade for him TO BE A BACKUP?

lets just say

I wouldn't call Alex Smith "garbage"

who is saying anyone is trading for him to be a backup?

We are already rationalizing another teams backup as our starter.

They aren't going to trade for him to be a backup. However, why is a team giving him a new contract?

He has 2 years left.

The only rationalization I can make is that is there are 3 people in place that can work with QBs.

Can we win a SB with Alex smith?

In 9 games last year:

6-2-1
70.2 comp %
1737 yards
13 tds
5 ints
8ypa
104 rating
70qbr

That's light years better than anything we have had in quite some time, but he is at is ceiling and is 29.

I wouldn't commit to that.

They would be trading for him to be a stopgap...same as he was in SF.

Alex Smith is gonna be cut. 49ers are in cap hell and have a lot of free agents. Why would a team give up a pick for him when they know he's gonna get cut.

Damnt......**** Alex Smith.

This makes absolutely no sense.

Any team that trades for him is viewing him as a stop gap. That's what he is. He didn't get a single offer longer than 3 years last offseason and he won't get that now either.

Any team that gets him is also only assuming he plays like Harbaugh is his coach. His stats BEFORE Harbaugh was his coach is a completly diferent and unimpressive Alex Smith.

Is anyone else surprised that the Chiefs have the first pick in the draft, and there are so many replies in an %#$*%^$*^%(^()* Alex Smith thread?

No. But I don't know that we can win one with Geno Smith either.

Here it comes.

But with Geno there is a chance.
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So we know we can't with one, but we don't know with the other.



Are you kidding me? You want to go thru this again?

When did I say I want to go through this again?

I'm saying that's the only rationalization. People who get the most out of their QBs.

You need to calm the **** down.

He has a $1 million dollar roster bonus on the 4th day of the new league year.

They'll either have a deal in place before then or cut him. I doubt they pay him $1 million dollars, only to have to cut him later.

If Alex Smith even WANTS to leave the SB 49ers in sunny SF, to go to KC to be a backup, then he must have lingering concussion issues. And so does any chiefs fan that wants him here

Geno Smith is like a good version of Alex Smith.

with the 49ers in cap hell we should open up the brinks trucks for Dashon Goldson

That's a good point. They aren't going to pay that bonus so I would expect the month and a half to transpire in some deal.

I think the first day of the new calendar year is the start of free agency.

LMAO

So would you rather take a guy you know you can't win a qb with or a guy you don't know if you can win a SB with?

I said I would take having Andy Reid with Alex Smith over having Romeo, Pioli and Geno Smith.

Under no conditions do I want Alex Smith here.

Start learning how to read.

The Ravens are in even worse shape. Ed Reed will be a FA and I would do the same for him

The **** I would.

Well we don't have Romeo or pioli, so it doesn't matter. Sorry, I haven't read back on the thread.

Wut

Geno Smith is just as good as RGIII

Ed Reed will go to NE after this ear, if Baltimore doesn't give him a contract.

He's old and really didnt do shit this year



If I'm paying for a safety it's gholdson or byrd

Sac?

Why not?

yeah, he stated today he wants to play for belichick, pagano or rex

Why would I pay him a lot of money? He's hurt a lot, his skills aren't what they were, and he's still going to get paid on name alone.

This secondary should be looking for young pieces at safety to go with Berry.

I think too many people are freaking out thinking signing Smith would be be Dorsey/Reid's version of Cassel. That they'll see him as "the answer" for several years. I don't think there's a QB this regime will see as the answer until he proves to be just that.

I really don't care how they do it, but S and CB help is critical. A vet to help the young ones out would be pretty important IMO.

Really depends on what Dorsey and Reid think. I know this isn't popular here, but if Reid and Dorsey don't feel that there is a QB in this class that is capable of taking this team to a SB and want to sign Alex Smith while they wait to see if that QB was in the next class, then I have no problem with it.

Genious

FYP

That'd be a great, makes ya think, kind of point, if I thought for one moment the corresponding new and old regimes had anything in common.

**** that.

What I'm going to say to the Geno crowd when we don't draft Geno.

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People used the same appeal to authority to defend Pioli and Haley with Cassel.

There is no "they're going to draft a QB next year" if we trade for Alex Smith. Because we won't be in a position to get one. HE IS THE QB. PERIOD.

Cassel was SP's personal project. He deluded himself into thinking that Cassel was Brady 2.0. I could be wrong, but I don't see Reid or Dorsey ignoring a players ability in order to keep them in the line up. I don't really want Smith in a trade, but I think Reid and Dorsey will not stop trying to find a better QB. They've always done it that way in the past, I don't know why they'd stop now.

How the **** do you know that? Teams have done this before. The Seahawks and Redskins are perfect examples.

I don't buy that. What pick you think we'd give up for Smith? Seeing as we draft first or second in every round, I don't see anything higher than a fourth. We're drafting a QB this year, and more likely than not, one in the first three rounds.