When you've had a top 3 offense for 3 consecutive years that's been held back by a bottom 5 defense, picking what may be the best defensive talent in the draft is a no-brainer.

It's like saying the Saints should have drafted EJ Manuel this year instead of Vaccaro (even though he's nowhere as good a prospect as DJ was).

Chiefs could have drafted a long snapper and they'd have had the same reaction.

Yep. One rookie LB wasn't going to make that defense good.

I've become convinced that you should be drafting for 2 to 3 years out.

Fill your immediate needs through FA.

Kind of my point. Getting swindled in eight different ways is different than getting swindled the same way eight times.

And you think they would have booed had they selected, a QB, or Leon Sandcatle, or Scott Bakula, or uncle Rico.?

We didn't pass on them to take a monumental bust?

Huh?

Why wouldn't I list Brady? He was available to draft during a time we needed a quarterback, wasn't he? He played for a big ten school, not like the guy was from some remote place. While it's obvious that "everyone passed on him for 5 rounds" that's not an excuse. Who did we draft in the fourth round that year? Third round? Fifth round?


The list of guys we chose over all of the guys on that list are more damning than the list itself.

It won't get to that point because the ownership and management of the team won't allow it, but those buffoons will still clap. And when drafting a QB is brought up, the same tired arguments (this guy better be 2004 Peyton Manning out of the gate) will be rehashed.

How many times has it happened here? How many more times does it need to happen to convince you?

Look, you said you wanted the blue pill or whatever color pill it is that allows you to go on living in bliss.

So take the damn pill and shut up.

ROFL

We took a qb in the first, it was just the wrong one. Had they done that this year, and it was the wrong one, you'd be giving them mass credit for trying.

If your gonna add Brady, better put Warner on the list too.

Those folks were just thrilled we didn't select Joekel, that's all.

Keep on keeping on

How many different linemen busts has this team drafted that "take 3 years to get up to speed...BBQ!!!GRILLIN# ?

But quarterbacks? TBOSE ARE T WORTH THE SAME APPROACH BECAUSE THEY MUGHT BUST.

FFS if we would have strictly drafted the quarterback in any of those years, the entire franchise would be perceived as a real team.

This team has never drafted it's own quarterback, they "want the next Len Dawson."

Say we had drafted any of those qbs, do you guys think we ever actually had the coaching staff to develop them properly?

I have no doubts we'd have chiefd them up and they have been Croyle like

I can't believe I have to spell it out for you. You're a dentist. You graduated college. You're smarter than this for ****'s sake.

Why are you guys so upset about this?

It has no correlation to who is drafted, and it's something that each and every fan base has to deal with

I dont remember one person saying a QB better come in and light it up day one. NOT ONE.

This off-season, before we chose Smith, every chief fan I know was clammoring about Geno. It was a very small # of dissenters at that point, and most of those wanted to sit him yr one. Myself included.
AFTER smith was picked up. THE MAJORITY STILL wanted Geno 1.1.
It wasnt till after Geno fell, he acted like a bitch, and all the negative comments from team GMs came out that everyone soured.

You are living in the butt hurt of the past.

Because wanting a QB who won a Super Bowl for KC is a bad thing.

That pretty much sums it up.

Yup. Warner goes on here, too.

The point is that if this team had the mentality of consistently spending high picks on quarterbacks until you find one, they would have found one by now.

When was the last time you watched a game that the Chiefs won with a quarterback THEY DRAFTED?

I dot know where all this "shit on o.city" is coming from.

I never ever was against ever drafting a qb early and often. I do t agree withn the paths we've taken in the past.

I guess it's that I have faith in this frit office?

Sure, I get that.

But the people who did all that, have no stake in making decisions anymore, and the guys who do make the decisions, have done what we all want in the past.

I dunno

It is ****ing mind boggling.


They actually think Clark is telling the coach and GM they cant draft a QB in the first.

Lemme ask you this....Do you really think the trip to the moon was real?
Did you know that 911 was an inside Job?

If you aren't gonna use a high pick one year, then at least draft one later.

The Chiefs havent even tried for a very very long time.

Um, stanzi?

The CHIEFS now are Reid and Dorsey, and yes, yes they have.

Unless you are saying that Clark tells them they cant if they wanna work here.

It is infuriating thinking about the QBs we could have had, but the guys who passed on them are GONE, and the fans who thought it was a good idea, have realized they were wrong. So the whole argument is just sour grapes

Look at Saccopoo
Tattoo, and TONS of others, here and in Chiefs nation.
This team, AND fanbase WANT A QB.

If you back and look at teams draft histories, you'd be shocked at how little this actually pans out. Yes, it works for some teams, a few teams, but for most, no--in reality it doesn't work out the way you think it does. That's not to say don't draft a good QB prospect, but I think this forum is just so starved for a home grown QB that they have a distorted view of the actual facts.

I don't consider spending a mid fifth rounder every 5 or 6 years "trying"

More like "gross negligence"

I mean the whole, "What does this have to do with what the front office decides?" attitude.

Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Unless they all unite under a huge body and make a statement like with Save Our Chiefs, the fans have no power. Not even lack of ticket sales these days.

In your willingness to let go of the things you can't control (I think that's a fair summation of your attitude towards the Chiefs these days, yeah?) that doesn't mean that other people who have informed opinions about the team are obligated to shut up and relax like you.

And again, please don't take this as criticism. You can be whatever kind of fan you want to be. I don't care. But don't expect other people to take the same path as you.

I'm not sure there's ever been a "you can't draft a QB in the first" conversation, but I do believe there's a franchise-wide philosophy that favors veteran QBs. I haven't seen an iota of evidence in the 15 years I've followed the team that demonstrates otherwise. As for now, the very first move under the fresh new coach and GM was to go acquire a veteran QB, and the story goes that the decision was made on that all the way back in January.

I certainly hope that's not an indication that the long-running franchise philosophy hasn't changed, but until I actually see some evidence, I'm just not going to believe it. I'm not the kind of guy who takes things on faith, and I have yet to see them try to draft and develop their own guy.

So you must think that comes from the hunts?

Get a dog

If I come across as trying to say shit up and relax, I don't mean too. At all, so if that's the case, I apologize.

I just don't feel like past sins of this franchise should be heaped on te new front office until they make their own mistakes and I can't get behind thinking they'll continue to do things the way the chiefs always have in terms of the qb, when their history speaks differently.

Its a shame that Herm Edwards was a pitful excuse as a head coach because he had the right outlook on personal. He did try to develop a quarterback and he wanted Matt Ryan.

Your **** must be in massive pain because its been bleeding for a year.

Do you not think Andy Reid will do this?

No, I just don't want a shitty ****ing QB for the sake of a QB.

Apparently, that concept is above your pay grade.

Yeah, nothing has changed at all since 2005.

College schemes and athlete are further away from NFL players and schemes than ever.

You completely missed his point. Completely.

stop wasting your time.

You can't say, "Win in the playoffs or die" when it comes to Matt Ryan but then challenge anybody who says Alex Smith isn't good enough to win a Super Bowl with Kansas City unless we upgrade the players around him even more than we already have.

You can't have both, Dane. Sorry.

Herm Edwards is exactly what you guys preach against.

You think a coach Herm would hire would allow Ryan to go all arena league?

He would be making him watch tapes of Chad Pennington while talking to the media about how Defense and a running game wins championships.

I have a feeling you're on the wrong page, but feel free to elaborate and prove me wrong.

Yes, I do, insofar as I believe that he hires people that he clicks with pholosophically. Particularly now that he's taken such a hands-on approach with the franchise for the first time (both Dorsey and Reid answer directly to him).

Please point out where I mentioned Alex Smith.

LMAO

JFC, what is wrong with you people?

Matt Ryan's success and failures are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE to the other 31 quarterbacks in the NFL.

But FWIW, Rodgers, Brady, Brees and Peyton would be 16-0 with those receivers.

You're just mad because Geno is replacing the guy you wanted at 3 in 2009.

Apparently, thats above your "pay grade."

LMAO

No Reid is in the secret society that Carl overlords.

He knew as soon as he was hired that the real puppet master would command him to take a 49er vet.

I love this organization wide philosophy stuff too.
How many executives are left from just a year ago? Much less two decades.

Let's play a game, Dane. Every day I'll post an anti-Alex Smith comment in a random thread on the front page. Every time you post on Chiefs Planet, try to find it in 2 minutes or less. If you get good enough at it, keep track of your times and see if you can improve.

You're already so brilliant at it I have no doubt you'll succeed.

There's one constant. One person establishes the philosophy, has a defining vision of what he thinks the Kansas City Chiefs should be. It doesn't matter who else is left. Everything trickles down from the top.

What can I say?

You have a smelly **** for all things football.

Andy Reid did say "I need to find the next Len Dawson"

And you have a tiny penis.

I'm glad we've cleared that up.

He never once said fans could influence shit, or that he was cool with trusting whatever decisions they make. Which is what your post addressed..

You guys have already determined the philosophy of this regime after 1 off-season...because of what Carl and Pioli did.

He was saying hes not gonna do that.
And asking what influence the philosophies of past GMs have on Reid and co. when they have a track record of doing the opposite.

Either you didnt have a reasonable answer, so you insulted him....

Or you completely missed the point....or both.

JFC, you're pathetic.

When you're challenged on your rabid dumbassery, you become a petulant child. Your insults become personal and stupid.

This isn't the first time, since you made the same excuse on your "drunken" birthday.

Know your limits, Dumb****. Or don't.

I couldn't give a ****.

Just wait: Tomorrow he'll claim he was drunk, yet he'll repeat himself next weekend.

Mark Sanchez, Jimmy Clausen, Geno Smith. Our armchair gm's have taken a chance and still have a job.

LMAO

I think he believes he already has.

1. I never insulted the guy. Let's get that straight.

2. O.City openly said he's sick of fiercely defying this football team, and is going to take a far more laid back approach to being a fan. And no, there's nothing wrong with that. I'm just bringing it up because you seem to think I falsely read that into his posts. Same goes for fans influencing shit. I was answering his question.

3. Technically he didn't say anything about that. All he did was ask a question, which came after I posted a criticism of what the FANS want out of this football team. Not Reid or Dorsey.

4. Dane has sex with children.

You have sex with children, which totally makes sense,

Cover up.

You're ****ing obsessed with me. That was one post that I made as a joke for just scanning a post too quickly.

It's not like I made a lengthy apology thread or anything. Like some people do. And then turn around and get indignant and bitch-tweaky on the very people he apologized to in the ****ing thread when they didn't even do anything to him.

You have sex with children, which totally makes sense.

Cover up.

Alert the authorities.

Guys...

You're losing your touch, man. Go to bed. Rest up. Get some fresh material for tomorrow when I casually imply that Alex Smith isn't all that great of a QB.

Not at all.

I just think you're a loudmouth twat that overplayed his hand, big time.

You acted like a know-it-all dickface and were completely wrong, yet fail to admit it.

Since that time, you've been in denial and become an even BIGGER twat.

If your wife gets cancer, I hope she dies right before your eyes.

Call me. I'll be more than happy to piss in your ocular cavities.

**** you.

Drink some firewater and jump out of your trailer into the gravel pit 2 feet below

I'm happy your family is healthy. Let this go brother, let it go.

I hope posting that makes you feel good about yourself.

Good night, Dane. I'm glad to hear that your wife beat her cancer those months ago.

Oh, and don't expect me to ignore that comment. I'm absolutely going to post it in your face every time you get lippy with me from now on. To remind you of how much of a psychotic bitch you are.

Unless you'd like to take it back right now.

I did let it go.

But butt****s like SNR can't and use it against me, so **** him.

Seriously.

I've been told there are no rules here any longer, so lets do this. If people can call me disgusting names two years after the discussion I had, I'm assuming all bets are off.

Right?

It sure seems to me that all bets are off, so why should I back off?

nobody can use anything against you that you don't allow. I abhor the child sex comments, never any reason for that. Again, I'm happy for your family's health. Ease back, enjoy what you have.

Yay!

Maybe your balls ARE bigger than peanuts, but I highly doubt it.

How many kids do you bang per week?

Wow

This is the kind of shit that happens when you let Thor start a thread.

Yeah, except for the fact that people like this piece of garbage have brought it up every, single time they've been backed into a corner.

I'm tired of it. And if the mods are going to ignore, I will, too.

Enough is enough.

Zomg we're going to acquire Landry Jones

Peace man, do what you gotta do. Just saying there are bigger things and you shouldn't waste your time on anger. I'll sleep with a woman that isn't my wife tonight, in a house without my kids in it, as a matter of perspective.

It really shows your true nature that when you're proven wrong, you get as low as that piece of ****ing dogshit Raider troll and attack me.

I hope you sleep well at night, all the while, knowing that deep inside, you're just another hateful piece of shit.

Sleep tight, Teach.

I'll PM you tomorrow. The owner of this site, along with all of the mods, know the true reason I left in 2011.

It's not for public consumption and tonight is just yet another reason for me to stay anonymous.