It doesn't matter where Martin came from period. I dgaf if he came from a insane asylum. We are judging the actions of incognito not wether or not Martin is too big of a baby because of where he grew up

It's not a good point. I didn't make any assumptions about him. I did what a good doctor does when presented with a handful of symptoms that could be caused by several different things. I identified a reasonable possibility (as opposed to the ludicrous possibilities you identified) and pursued a further examination (one that involved low cost testing, no less) to either confirm or rule out that possibility. I have concerns about whether or not you're cut out for this medical thing.

So they were smart, is that what this information implies...you know being that 99.9999% of highschool football players don't receive scholarships.

Basically, Martin is a nice guy and Incognito is scum. End story.

Why don't.ask if Martin is available? I've seen many posts bout Incog-****face-o being available, but what about Martin? Obviously the kid can play OLine as well, he just couldn't do it with Richie anymore. I'd rather the younger kid who can play who might be a bit reserved in his personality, than a giant ****ing asshole cancer who can play the game. Even if Martin is a pussy, he isn't on the field.
I get that he isn't available, but I love that people would rather have the cancer in our locker room than someone who can play but may have had a timid upbringing and it shows in certain ways.
So let me say it,

Martin? Bring him for a look? God knows we need help.

The trade deadline passed and he hasn't been put on waivers where I'm sure someone would claim him before us.

Interesting notes about Martin from CBS draft report:

* He turned down a chance to be the first 4th generation black student at Harvard to go to Stanford. Guy is smart and he apparently comes from a really smart family.

* He only did 20 reps of 225 at Stanford's pro day (didn't attend the combine). Some concern about whether or not he was naturally strong enough to handle pro pass protection duties.

I could see either of these being the kind of things that could get you singled out by a guy like Incognito.

You did the equivalent of assuming a CVA when a patient presents with low back pain and dysuria.

Lol, I understand that. That wasn't my point. I know he isn't available. I'm saying fan culture is twisted when we'd rath have a known cancer in our locker room than a perceived pussy.

Based on what little we know, I'd rather have Martin on the team than Incognito, but PFF has Incognito at +6.3 overall (14th ranked G) and Martin at -6.9 (63rd ranked T), so Martin doesn't necessarily look like a huge prize on the field. And given the way many of their teammates have come to the defense of Incognito, I'd be wary about his locker room presence too.

I don't think that's the case. I think we were just talking about which guy was more likely to be available. I also think the talk about signing Incognito was somewhat tongue in cheek.

Negative. You might see it as a CVA because it seems like such a huge accusation to you based on your own internal feelings about homosexuality, but in reality it's more like ordering a urine sample because it's cheap and easy to check out. If we rule it out, then we can move on from there.

Holy shit. Really? Do you even know what you are talking about at this point? I'm saying you took two completely unrelated things (bullying and no girlfriend) and applied it to his sexual orientation. That has nothing to do with my feelings on homosexuality. It was an illustration of the ridiculous nature of your assumption.

This is unbelievably annoying and pointless. You make a living in DC, and it's quite apparent that you will resort to some of the most illogical things to get your point across.

Big guy who allowed someone to walk all over him. No girlfriend to speak of based on a google search.
Patteeu- "Well shit, he might be gay."

Yes, I do know what I'm talking about. I recognize that this hysteria over the topic of homosexuality is coming from within you. You seem to really want to be tolerant of homosexuality on the outside (to the point where you are ready to jump on anyone who treats it as a negative character trait), but inside you're so uncomfortable with it that you automatically assume that anyone who brings it up is treating it as a negative character trait (because on some level it still is to you).

Feel free to disengage at any time. I'm not the one hounding you about this topic.

Oh, and maybe you shouldn't have quit your day job for this medical school adventure.

His parents went to Harvard and he went to Stanford!?!?! AND they're BLACK?!?!?! Wait....Patteeu...that means he is socialist, right? The gay is implied.

This weird bit where you post things like, "Take it to DC," is pretty absurd considering you're involved with these discussions on a frequent basis.

Holy shit, that's insane!

What kind of parent would prioritize education or the arts over football? Only pussies.

Sometimes I hate this country. I'll never understand the contempt shown towards intelligence and culture.

If he's socialist, then I'll rethink my opinion of Incognito. Thanks for the tip.

Meh. Fisher and Joeckel repped 27x. Fluker repped 21x, and i dont think anyone is questioning his strength. Nate Solder (arguably one of the best tackles in the NFL) benched 21x.

IMO 20 reps is strong enough for pas pro. Pass pro is more about technique and absorbing punishment (i.e. your moving back) compared to dealing it out.

Did Martin's name used to be Curtis?

Was he ever slapped?

The sad part is that i don't think you are 100% joking.

Somehow I feel like this thread could end up in DC... and that's just sad.

reminds a little bit of the Penn State culture of secrecy and messed up priorities.

a bunch people standing around not saying anything, not doing the right thing


now Martin is not a child but it's still an example of priorities being completely wrong

That's it? Wow! I could do 15 in college and I wasn't even very big...

That's nothing. I can penor curl that 15 times.

Bench press is such a bullshit measure of well.. anything... other than how much one can bench.

FWIW, I was just paraphrasing the CBS draft report. It may be that the concerns over "natural strength" involved more than just the bench press numbers that were given as an example.

The bench press is the measure of a man.

Not for this lanky mother****er. I'll stick with pulling exercises as my measure. Heh.

In his defense, it's the kind of disingenuous shit he does all the time.

It sounds like Martin might be a silver spoon kid just like you, Pittsie. At least he made his own way though.

Couldn't have scarred him too badly.... he did go on to play for noted non-pussy Jim Harbaugh and was drafted in the 2d.

Said the dude with a MF trust fund. GTFO.

Real men have T-Rex arms and can bench all day. ;)

I hear ya. It seems like us taller guys have to move the bar damn near twice as far.

Nate Solder is one of the best tackles? ROFL

What I said wasn't made up. Do you ever wonder what it would have been like to make it on your own, like Jonathan Martin did?

Heh...from Miami's program:

http://i.imgur.com/j0yVUmu.jpg

It's kinda funny a few may think Martin is a pussy because he was from Stanford. When there was a KC 7th rounder from Standford(FB?) that was cut and called an Ivy league prick.

ESPN has just released the formal complaint submitted to the NFLPA by Martin's mother

Does that say "Easiest teammate to score?"

"Easiest Teammate to Kill"

nah man...you got it all wrong....it was corn BREAD.
he pulled a Ripley.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/1RQubFLy53w" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

sorry if already posted....I just can't bring myself to read thru it all....I'm lazy.

is it just me....or does anybody else think it's a super weird and possibly even...in some small way....kinda.....gay for one dude to say he wants to shit in another dudes mouth?

i.imgur.com/QmXdMkP.png

It really depends on proximity and restraints. I am not exactly an expert on these matters but I have experienced many pointless arguments with patteu so it is virtually the same thing.

ROFL

Richie is a total dumbass. If you are going to harass a team mate with racial slurs and threats of pooping in their mouths, you don't do it by text, you've got to be more incognito about it.

yes he was totally UNcognito

I dont buy the comments Wallace made for one second, looks to me like the fins are just closing ranks.

If Martins teammates knew most of what was going on, it says very bad things about them, particularly if they're black and knew the kinds of things being said.

Either way, the fins get a big thumbs down from me and i hope their season falls apart.

Incognito is like a 21st century Biff Tannon come to life.

Stanford isn't Ivy League. You're thinking of the FB from Yale.

Seriously though, that wasn't a brag. That was a surprise about how that's all he did. I kind of expected a giant guy that plays OL to pretty much be a beast on everything.

He likely never touched a weight in college.

Anyone care to give me the readers digest version?

Not sure I care enough to read the thread.

I gotta go in just a minute so i dont have time, but google "incognito texts and voice mails released"

Football player walks off team in October, releases voicemail from another teammate, left back in April.

People don't bother waiting for pertinent facts, choosing instead to lose their minds about said voicemail.

So the only pertinent fact is that a voicemail was left? Really? That's a pretty narrow view of this to prove your point.

Incognito is a fatty with a small manhood that makes up for it by being an a-hole to everyone

Facts: Incognito left a voicemail to Jonathan Martin: ""Hey, wassup, you half n----- piece of s---. I saw you on Twitter, you been training 10 weeks. [I want to] s--- in your f---ing mouth. [I'm going to] slap your f---ing mouth. [I'm going to] slap your real mother across the face [laughter]. F--- you, you're still a rookie. I'll kill you." He left several text messages that were supposedly harassing but we haven't seen them yet. Incognito has a track record of character concerns. He was kicked out of Nebraska and Oregon. Was booted by the Rams for headbutting two players in a critical regular season game. He has a reputation for playing really dirty and having anger management issues. He's gotten into fights with his teammates and yelled at fans. He has a reputation for playing dirty in his own practices, and once drove a player on Nebraska to quit.

There is speculation that multiple people were involved. Despite Incognito's questionable background, he was also put on the Dolphins' leadership council. The coaching staff and organization seem completely oblivious that this was happening. After the incident was reported, Incognito sent several angry tweets to Adam Schefter and company. There is strong speculation that his Dad wrote some pretty dicey things on social media, including calling Martin out for doing drugs and attempting suicide several times.

There is some question (but completely speculative) that his sexuality was called into question. There is also speculation that Incognito tried to force Martin to help pay for a $15,000 team trip to Vegas that Martin didn't plan to attend.

That's the entire thread in 3 paragraphs.

"Leadership Council" LMAO

Proof positive the fins are ****ing clueless.

Your user name should be changed to Just Another reerun

Just don't call him an Indian name! LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!









WHAT A PUSSY! And he's WAY too big to be this much of a girl!

Pretty good synopsis. I'd add that several teammates have expressed some level of support for Incognito (which I find strange, given the evidence that he's a real douchebag) and that the team owner has asked the NFL to do an independent investigation into the matter. Meanwhile, both Incognito and Martin are gone indefinitely.

LMAO SO True!

Martin's gonna BANK when he sues the NFL for providing a stressful workplace environment. No doubt that's part of the motive here. This has enough stuff in it to get everyone talking and acting here. It is the perfect politically -correct insult for the times we live in. Somewhere Conrad Dobler is laughing...

Thanks. Appreciate the help. All the ESPN coverage is just a bunch of ****ing bumbling gotards.

LMAO @ this thread.

Never underestimate the Power of the Planet

LMAO

Martin made a move that jeopardizes his ability to still play for the Dolphins, and perhaps anywhere. You really think he did that to make a few bucks in a lawsuit?

I'm sooooo tired of this story. It's all you hear on any NFL coverage.

Hey! Look over here! The Chiefs arte 9-0!

Hello?

That's the impression I get...

I guess that Martin made like a tree, and got out of there

Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 1m
Wow ... RT @dkurtenbach: Dolphins coaches ordered *Richie* Incognito to "toughen up" Jonathan Martin. http://touch.sun-sentinel.com/#secti.../p2p-78065907/ …

LMAO

Dumpster fire.

Jeff Ireland and Joe Philbin should be fired on the spot

Fire everyone

Incognito has been exonerated/patteeu.

This just keeps getting better.

That's like putting an abused kid in a room with a pedo for therapy...

The best way to toughen someone up is to throw racial slurs at them and tell them you're going to beat/murder their family members. That always works.