So basically, Alex is not very good.

Whew! I'm glad we cleared that up.

Seems like he's insinuating that.

And it took only 7200 posts!

Rivers seems to do more with less most years.

If we had Rivers right now, this is a championship team.

I'm hoping Alex can play the best ball of his life, but Rivers is a damn beast. Extremely underrated player.

Rivers is a borderline elite QB.
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That's basically Sandy Cheek's cop out.

"Name me one QB that plays well with subpar receivers and line! Just one! Betcha can't do it!"

"Rivers, Brady, Luck, Tannehill, Palmer, Wilson."

"Well, those guys are like good and stuff!"

Yeah, I feel sorry for Rivers having to deal with future Hall of Fame teammates like LaDanian Tomlinson and Antonio Gates.

Poor guy.

Rivers is the most overrated QB in this forum that I've ever seen, even more so than Flacco or Wilson.

His defense held the record setting Patriots to 14 points in 2008 and 17 points in 2012.

Eli's a very good QB but like most NFL QB's, he can't win it alone.

Despite all of the received handjobs and bluster, you have yet to give that list...

We'll continue on until you admit that you have... what?

1. Brady
2. ???

your move, chump.

No. Not MY own rankings. Let us actually discuss where these team aspects may rank.. oh god forbid. Can you? Anyone else? I know... discussing the talent of team aspects can be foreign to this forum.. so maybe dust it off.

WTF does it even matter if elite QBs can or can't overcome a terrible OL/WRs/etc? Has the argument ever been that Alex Smith should have gone to or won a SB in the past two seasons? Of course not.

LOL, go back to sleep. You must have missed the last 2 years of Chiefs football, at the very least.

.. and the last 4 years of Alex football.

... and in what world is this not a question worth exploring? LOL

I don't know when this all became about winning the Super Bowl, and I'm not going to argue with you about precisely ranked groups since you haven't really made that possible, but I can think of 3 QBs who won the SB with shitty OL and WR combos since the turn of the century:

Brady
Roethisberger
Dilfer


Other SB winning QBs had either shitty WR corps or OLs, but not both.

Eli
Rodgers
Wilson

That's 6 of the 10 SB winning QBs since the turn of the century, with Peyton, Brees, Flacco, and Johnson not getting the nod, and Colts fans might argue about that 2006 team.

Austin should have just shut down this thread with his last post.

Alex Smith can win a Super Bowl if he has top 5 caliber units at OL, WR, defense and in special teams (ONE MUFFED PUNT FROM A SUPER BOWL AFTER ALL).

The Chiefs have a defense that is capable of being top 5 and that's not even a certainty. That's it. I guaran-****ing-tee it won't be November till a certain cadre of posters here lambaste the offensive line as one of the worst groups in NFL history.

If that fact doesn't become the narrative, then it will be the apparently shocking revelation that Jeremy Maclin and Travis Kelce aren't dominant enough players to carry a receiving corps consisting of a 3rd round rookie, a Sun Belt UDFA and Jason Avant into being successful enough to win games consistently.

Or, you know, the defense will actually regress to the mean and not hold teams to an absurd average of 18 points or fewer per game and the narrative will quickly shift to "But you can't expect anyone to win when the defense gives up two TDs and a FG of points per game!" drivel.

Either way, the Chiefs will top out with a 10-6 regular season record at best with yet another first round playoff exit... and this will be surprising to an alarming number of posters here.

THANK YOU

I was never asking for what couldn't be possible here.

What would really help though... the THREE examples you give... what yr are you speaking of.. and any details you might care to add.. thanks.

Sure. I'd look at them like this:


Dilfer only got there once, with the defensive juggernaut Ravens (2000).

Roethlisberger's 2005 squad had Ward lead the WRs with 69 catches and Randle El second with 35.

Brady's 001 Patriots had Troy Brown with over 100 catches and David Patten with 51. Why were their numbers that high? The next highest WR/TE was a 3 way tie at 14 catches, and one of them was Terry Glenn, who was suspended by the team for the season, won an appeal, but only played 4 games before going back on the shelf due to injury. Brady was effectively using Troy Brown and David Patten as his entire WR/TE corps. As a side note, the Patriots were also a lousy 24th in the NFL in rushing yards per attempt that season, averaging just 3.8 yards per carry.

I might argue that Brady's WR in 2014 were also that kind of shitty, but LaFell played much better than he had in Carolina, and I can't be sure that was all the result of Brady, so I think the argument can at least be countered to some degree.

Gee I wonder if Alex is closer to Dilfer, Roethlisberger or Brady.

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Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson were the SB champion equivalents of someone winning the World Series of Poker going all in with two pair. It gets the job done, but it also only works if every player holding a straight or better folds and the guys with one pair or high card hand aren't ****ing smart enough to fold as well.

Dumber than ****.

You guys have ruined OTWP's leaving forever thread. I hope you're happy.

If he had retired after 2008 you would have a point.

If he retired after 2008 you would have a point.

Lil' Chiefy's Smith-fantasy of "Dilfering" to greatness is the most absurd ****ing thing I've seen in regards to football topics on ALL of Chiefsplanet,

It's dumb. It's pure fantasy with no basis in reality whatsoever.

It is dumb.

dumb.

dumb.

God, SO dumb.

Please stop.

This thread is an AIDS factory

Why take time to go over anything with you? You end up saying the same thing over and over.


Those guys are franchise qbs so they aren't relevant because Alex smith isn't. (Your words not mine)

I take it you're trying to be dense? Trying to be stupid on purpose? Well, congrats, I guess.

LT and Gates? I remember those guys. Gates retiring after this year?

Look, I get as tired as anyone else over the petty battles that occur over AS11.

So I will just say, my point was :

very few QBs that I can think of over history have excelled while playing behind bottom level OLs while throwing to bottom level WRs.

in case I was mistaken on this, I asked people here.

Smith is not a remarkable QB, except to say that he is mentally tough. He won't go down in history as an all that memorable player..

but knowing (?) that there are very few QBs that can excel while playing behind bottom level OLs while throwing to bottom level WRs...

why were people that don't think much of him in the first place.. expecting him to have excelled with such deficiencies at OL and WR?


I'm done with it. Not in a pussified "I'm leaving forever" cry as OTWP and Pawnmower has done, lol... I know, shucks.

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Do the Chiefs have a Purple People Eater, '00 Ravens or '85 Bears caliber defense?

Alex is pretty good at scrambling. We might have something that kinda sorta resembles a Fran Tarkenton.

That team would have been a 2-5 win team the last 5 or so years if they didn't have Rivers.

Look at his receivers and backs he's had over that span...and he's still been able to put up elite production.
You've gotta be kidding me.

Rivers is good. I ****ing hate him, but he's good.

He was also extremely effective against the blitz. Iirc he had the highest rating when blitzed.

How much better would Rivers be perceived as if the team had re-signed

Vincent Jackson
Michael Turner
Darren Sproles
Antonio Cromartie
Eddie Royal

I know I'm missing a slew of other guys, but that's enough to make the point.

He is pretty good at that. However, it bothers me that he does it so frequently. He's going to get messed up really bad one of these times.

I think that is because he is so used to dumping it off short and quick anyway.

He needs to be more intelligent about it, for sure. Angle your way out of bounds or slide; there's no reason to take a hit unless you're a couple yards away from the 1st down marker. I also wish he'd look downfield when scrambling behind the line.

He's got the tools. It's just a mental thing for him.

he never stands in there while a defender is bearing down on him and make that strike to the wr, or even attempt it. he wont throw the ball into tight spaces. he doesnt attempt passes over 10 yards very often, even with us seeing guys open down field. there are theads with pics if you want to look back through them.

other qbs do these things quite often and even the shitty one are included in that.

**** you jason


:)

How's it going man, haven't noticed you around lately?

doing great, just busy and been talking royals mostly. chiefs stuff is boring at the moment, dead time.

how about you? everything good?

There is no "battle" over "ASSSSS11"(bundle of sticksotty nickname if ever there was);

Established, mediocre bag of suck is scurrrred suck.

There is your reality.

Embrace it.

I never understood "AS11"

Why does just Alex get his initials plus his number? I've never seen us go "JC25" or "JH50" or "TC10." We were minding our own business, and then the Alex trade happened, and then it was the Niner ****tards that waltzed in here and started dickpounding Alex's case. All of a sudden it was "AS11" this and "AS11" that.

Is that a reference to something? Is it a shitty attempt at AK47 even though only one of the characters is the same?

Because it's Rice-a-Roni, pillowbitery nick name, that's why.

**** the niner trolls. That is all.

Finally :)

Their presence is really creepy

Psh. You say that, but I'm totes welcome on a Cleveland message board with a username titled "BoweShowe" talking about how awesome DB82 is and how he never really had a quarterback in Kansas City and he's totally going to be a 1200 yard receiver for the Browns

When you turn every thread in to some sort of Alex Smith thread, you have to type Alex Smith a lot. The trolls are lazy.

Well that certainly doesn't seem fair.. especially coming from a mod.

This thread was destined to involve the QB as soon as the OP mentioned him from the beginning in his swan song. In most threads, it is rarely the "49er/Alex-lovin'-trolls" that turn the threads from unrelated topic into Alex topic. That honor typically goes to the antagonistic haters.

I realize you didn't specifically say who "turns every thread", but you did call me a troll.. and if being honest after reading my posts over the years, I think you know I am not a troll. An asshole, a dumbass, a creepy QB stalker... sure.. I can see that.. but not a troll.

Jeez man have some self
Respect

lol, being self deprecating is just so liberating. :thumb:

Expecting big time numbers this year from MC77!

I still miss HT75 and think he could have provided a lot of help to our weak offensive line last year

LMAO

Seems like every firework season when I'm absent for 2 weeks or better I miss something like this.

Sorry to see yo go man,hopefully we'll see you in the fall.

No reason to sleep on a key cog from the Las Angeles Locomotives 2010 UFL championship squad.

And all I've done with my liberty is be a little bitch.

To bad, OnTheWarpath58 seemed like a solid dude. One time I tried to talk to him and he was like "back the **** off!" I said "OK dude" and never ****ed with him again. I respected that. Plus, it was funny. Not surprised he threw in the towel.

I wish you'd throw in the towel

I will if I lose my bet and Houston gets Watt money. Otherwise, it won't happen. I'll tell you what though... I will post a lot less. Will you give me a chance if I keep it to twenty a day?

That's fair. 20 posts a day unless you're posting some fire shit. Then I'll grant you a reprieve.

So think long and hard about what you post and when you post it, buddy.

And don't try and abuse your limit by posting 500 word posts, either.

I am just and I am merciful. But I will cut you.