Not sure what you're looking at. I didn't say anything about Carolina.

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/bett...?date=20160124

If you want to talk about moneylines, NE opened up at -160 at Pinnacle and closed at -128.

Again, someone explain.

Group hug in the shower tonight!.......or not..or not

This thread. ROFL

THIS, 1000X THIS^

It takes an absolute suspension of disbelief to even pretend that the NFL ISN'T rigged.

Have some toast.

1. Multiple consensus betting sites show the money piling on NE,



2.

The betting action in Las Vegas is piling up on the New England Patriots, leaving sportsbooks with a decision heading into championship Sunday.

On Saturday, the Patriots were holding steady as three-point favorites over the Denver Broncos in the AFC Championship Game. The money was lopsided on New England.

At Caesars Palace sportsbooks, five times as much money had been wagered on the Patriots compared to the underdog Broncos. At William Hill's Nevada book, 85 percent of the money bet was on New England. The story was the same almost everywhere.

http://espn.go.com/chalk/story/_/id/...iots-las-vegas

Exactly.

BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

Vegas wins BIG.

Same with the Super Bowl - all the money was on Carolina.

Here's some jelly.

Would anyone care for a spot of tea?

Dinny

Oh, like points of emphasis they instruct officials on week to week. . .

No, only an idiot would assume that by 'jobs' I meant 'currently active roster spots'.

They still have JOBS. Micheal Irvin is on NFLnet all the ****ing time.

He gets paid for it.

By the NFL.

That, by definition, is a 'job'.

Toast,sure...tea,no thanks

And when officials tell QBs that they 'aren't old enough' to receive certain calls??

Wtf is THAT shit??

ROFL

just goes to prove that the officials don't actually enforce rules; they interpret them, and enforce them arbitrarily. Which is damn close to "game fixing".

You can't, at the same time, argue against the tuck rule, and also complain about rules being "interpreted."

Crambone that tea up your limey ass! :D

You sweet talker.

Now hush up and eat your toast.

Dinny

I didn't argue against the tuck rule. You're mistaking me with someone else.

I think they got the call correct, and I said as much when it happened, before the replay ruling was announced.

Besides...**** THE RAIDERS.

Would be interesting to see the consensus/line movement of that game.

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Everyone thought the Raiders were going to the Super Bowl that year
...

:hmmm:

I apologize. Earlier in the thread I thought you were using the tuck rule as evidence of the fix. I must've misunderstood.

That was smellypitts, and I think he used it as an example of a call that could be interpreted basically any way the refs want the game to turn.
(Correct me if I'm wrong)

Of course, that game went to OT, and the Raiders had two chances to stop the Pats after that call - once on the game tying drive and once in OT. And Vinatieri had to make those kicks - no small feat.

Rigged or not, an exhilarating game that will always be a classic.

**** THE RAIDERS.

You pulled one shitty book. Why don't you pull the Vegas lines.

That's still a small part of it.
There's no doubt that every bookie all over the country had a majority of Joe's who thought Carolina was winning no matter what.

.....oh this is about the Pats, nevermind.
But a majority thought Pats would win too

No. That's multiple books and it seems all of them closed at -2.5 or -3.

Vegas books closed at -3 as well:

http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds...m/date/1-24-16

Dunno what you're smoking over there.

I remember being young and tending to believe every conspiracy theory that came along.

Then I grew up and learned how to look at things critically.

This thread is the epitome of twit Olympics. Which some of you probably think was rigged, too.

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No, you went from believing in Santa to believing what ever a majority view told you.
But your avatar is cute

Lol of course it was rigged. It's a tv show

No, I stopped listening to Alex Jones.

BTW, you mentioned that a 15 year run at the top can only be due to a conspiracy. Just out of curiosity I looked and the record for football winning streaks at any level was set by De La Salle High School in California with 151 straight wins over 12 years (1992-2003). Conspiracy? Probably not.

I also have to agree (I think it was Sully) that a negative cannot be proven so there is no way to "prove" that the NFL is not rigged. As that is the generally accepted norm (not rigged) then it is incumbent on those who believe otherwise to provide the proof.

Finally, if the league is rigged (and Blackops seems to think it was from day one) then there are hundreds if not thousands of people involved that have never said a word. Stretches the limits of credibility right there alone.

Your second paragraph proves lack of critical thought.
It assumes the crowd who doesn't think something is up is right and has no need to think otherwise. It's childish school yard logic to say the burden is on the -fix- crowd.

Lol at using a high school win streak to prove the pros don't script unrealistic outcomes. It would be 300 times easier to fix a high school game with one official.
Regardless, you can't compare a bunch of snot nosed kids to what is supposed to be the cream of the crop on every team in the pro's.
There's been thousands of actors and politicians and you know their jobs are fake but you've never really heard them say anything either. A jock is not much different from an actor.

I was pointing out that it is entirely possible to have long term winning streaks without the need for anything to be fixed. You are coming from the opposite side, you assume that since it is unusual to occur it must be rigged. Sometimes the truth really is the easiest path with no outside influence needed.

You are correct, we all do know that actors (I will leave politicians out for now) are faking their jobs. That is why they don't talk about it, it is a known FACT.

Believe it or not, not everything is a conspiracy just because you do not know the inner workings. 911 could have been an inside job (I had fun thinking that for quite a while) until you realize just how many people had to be in on it and yet there was never any leak. A secret is only truly able to kept by one person.

Anyway, I am out for a while. I just wanted to participate in this epic (ly stupid!) thread.

Ok, lets go ahead and say its all a sham

Why bother watching it, or following the Chiefs now... we'll never win it all again anyway, right?

Okay I'll try and explain and let me be clear,as a gambler I look for an edge as all gamblers do.Back in the 90's when I read the book Interference I thought what if Moldea isn't full of shit and started looking at NFL games differently when betting i.e. story lines etc.I'll be the first to admit I've lost a number of NFL bets because of that damn pesky spread but I've also won a number as well by looking at the story lines etc. and not just focusing on offense vs. defense,injuries,weather and so on.

Thus my reasoning also when I say I don't believe the entire league week to week is nothing more than the WWE but that certain games storylines might present an edge.

That said,when the Patriots,American flag colors and all chose to be introduced as a team after this nations worst terrorism attacks I simply thought this is too much and connected my dots to the thought of United We Stand Divided We Fall,also keep in mind the Rams were a 14 point favorite,a huge number for any NFL game which led to me thinking they're going to not only cover the spread they're going to win outright and told every guest at my SB that exact thing and I ended up winning.

Sorry for being so long but wanted to add I missed on the Katrina theory but most recently had great success this season with winning on Carolina's only regular season loss to the Falcons because of something I heard on Sportscenter and also winning on the Broncos post-season run by looking at something other than what the numbers said.

No,it doesn't prove shit about games being fixed but from a gambler's point of view it sure has helped.

Not all :D

My guy about shit when I called in and took Denver said he hoped I was right or he was taking a bath.

Seriously considering not going to a chiefs game this year for the first time since 1991 because of all the bullshit that happened at the end of the year

Maybe I just wasnt paying enough attention, but what happened at the end of the year?

We played about as well as can be expected against the pats, considering how many crucial players were hobbled or missing... didnt get blown out at all, lost by 7

Carolina beat everyone to a bloody pulp, made it to the big game

Dinvers defense kept them in the hunt until Manning came back and gave them an emotional lift, then their defense shut down the pats and they advanced to the bowl

I'm not understanding what is so remarkable about the "united" theme of the Pats after 9/11. The entire country was working under similar themes in all walks of life.

I must have been thinking of another game. Anyways the media said there was a ton of money on the pats, but those lines don't back up an 80 percent on one side. You can see the juice being adjusted with a lot of money going on Denver late. That is pretty typical, all the weekend warriors in Vegas bet the pats early and the sharps took Denver.

media can easily be pushed to make people think and bet in a particular direction

The list is too long, but here are a few fine points:

New England lost the last two regular season games to give Denver home field advantage

Hence we play at NE, and of course lose, all the while several key players along the way

Smith over throws kelce twice in the end zone so bad I could've done better

The NFL gets their precious Manning / Brady matchup in the AFCCG

The line of the SB opens in favor of Carolina, which should have piss pounded Denver, but is justified because the Talking Heads have two weeks to convince how great the Denver D is, even though we piss pounded them AT HOME

Theres others I can't remember, but they are listed in this thread. If it wasn't lined up for Manning's exit, I'll eat my hat.

**** this shit.

We'll see you at camp :)

Never been to a camp. What's worse is i was at the Thursday night Broncos game. With 6 minutes left my buddy looked at me and said something along the lines of 'C'mon man, how come you're not enjoying this?'. I said 'you know what's going to happen'. And it did.

http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/...Gifs/bingo.gif
ROFL

Manning played like shit and threw up ducks the entire time he was on the field. Right up until he was pulled for the back up QB. You didn't piss pound jack shit. PFM gave that game to you. Nice try, though.

Right...

And, by the way, that wasn't a catch; the ball touched the ground before he demonstrated control of it. Also, Talib wasn't off sides on that FG kick. The Center pulled the ball forward and hiked it in a jerky motion. Talib reacted as soon as the Center pulled the ball towards him, which is legal. That flag that was picked up - it was picked up because the officials conferred and communicated to each other that there was hand fighting going on between the players. Not Holding. A no-call on PI is fairly common in big games. We have gotten screwed by that on many occasions. For instance the Ravens (when we lost a playoff game to them in OT) held one of our receivers down by his shoulder pads so he couldn't go up for a catch, allowing another of their defenders to make an INT that lead to the game winning score. Shit happens. People can cry, bitch and moan all they want. The fact is that the Bronco D, led by outstanding play from Von Miller, stormed through the playoffs and carried their team to a Super Bowl win.

This is hilarious, because it applies to you more than anyone. ROFL

Brother, you have provided not one shred of proof of anything, just assumptions and opinions.

They haven't won shit because Jimmy Johnson left.

The book you want everyone to read is by a guy that never met a conspiracy theory he couldn't profit from. He is a professional conspiracy theorist. He has no credibility.

more bull---- ...I agree that slow mo- has made it possible to see some things better but the fact is they made sure the rule book is distorted with maybe/kinda/sorta speech to let what ever the official wants to call,be the right call that they want.
and its a bunch of bull-crap when a guy takes two steps with a ball or holds it for a couple beats but they say some stupid crap about not making a (((football move)))..bunch of bull-pucky

again..why did the people he went after need the legal system to bring him down if he was so unimportant and wrong?
you dont know the difference between a conspiracy and investigative journalism.

we've provided plenty of examples of 'too good to be true' moments,
that qualify as circumstantial evidence.
all you've provided is "I dont think so,you're all nuts"

This.

Speculation based on seeing what you want to see.

Investigative journalists look for the truth no matter where it leads. Moldea is not an investigative journalist.

That isn't evidence. That is speculation.

FWIW the claim is the Mafia involvement was over by 1970-75

You can clearly see the tip of the ball hit the ground before he secured it. The ball was moving around in his grip before and after the impact.

who made the playoffs? the most marketed players.
teams had to win and lose on que the last two games of the season to make that possible and it freaking happened.

seeing what you want to see? no, I would prefer something a little less predictable to prove the 'anyone can win any Sunday' crap they spew.
I saw what I knew was going to happen and I was right. I said all week before that Denver was beating NE and thats what happened.
I said all 2 weeks before that Denver was beating Carolina and that's what happened. Its because i've already seen this show before.



its the same rerun over and over.

but for some reason you are fooled and fascinated by every outcome?

What team is it that you root for again?

They are the most marketed players because they are GOOD, troll.

Ya know, splat, if they don't wrap 'em tight at the factory.....

Dinny

The Rams in their gold/yellow and blue uniforms were on the same stage and they didn't do it.

He asked for an explanation,I gave one based on my connection of my dots and it won me some cash,end of story.

you are missing the point. I dont care if that was actually a catch or not.
I've seen it happen 100 times the last two years that the call is usually the opposite of what everyone else obviously see's and they interpret the rule as they choose to get the outcome they want.

you are also showing you have been indoctrinated to believe a catch is what ever they told you. Slo mo shows he had two hands on the ball clutched to his chest. He did in fact catch the ball whether it hit the ground when he went down or not. He did in fact catch the ball.

if the ground cant cause a fumble,how can it cause an incomplete pass after the ball has already been caught?

even if I'm wrong about this one catch, I'm still right about my universal observation of how they go about ruling on these so called catches/non-catches

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and remember- I'm siding with the Panther receiver here even though I knew they were losing. Thats called building -action drama-...and it was needed for one of those "commercial breaks"

It seems like so many of the calls on catches like that are ambiguous as hell. I've never heard anything other than vaguely referenced reasoning to back up the decisions.

so you are saying that the league is lucky that the players that last the longest and have better careers are also the better looking more literate ones who happen to get major corporate endorsements.
spots in movies,tv shows, saturday night live.....

of course youll say Manning is ugly but I of course already said that his fathers legacy was rewarded by the league.

oh yeah,thats another thing. Their dad is on the Saints and never wins but somehow,his son's,in two completely separate situations and in seperate leagues as QBs make it to 6 super bowls combined and go 4-2 combined !

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pay attention to football on your phone. It predicted Manning going to SB 50 and the restaurant has a silver panther in it.

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correct,you hear the announcers making up excuses for reasons all night stumbling over their words

Has anybody ever played a Black Sabbath album backwards? Or how about Hank Jr.'s "Are You Ready For Some Football" backwards?

Sergeant Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band album played in reverse is where the world first learned of Paul McCartney's death. It's bound to come true sooner or later. The key is not giving up.

Dinny

No, you are so deep into your conspiracy theory bullshit that you don't understand that a catch is actually defined by the rules that they play by. If your opinion is contrary to the rules then it's worthless.

yep,you are indoctrinated. You just said a catch is what they told you it was and I explained how they designed the rules so they are never wrong

Well, yeah. Different teams do different things.

No, Sgt Pepper has a dog whistle in the run out groove.

The Paul is Dead mularky comes from the fade out of Strawberry Fields; John says "Cranberry Sauce", and some folks heard "I buried Paul"

I'm going to go by the rule that the Denver Broncos always get one more point than whatever team they are playing against. I know that the NFL won't go along with this but that's just because they want to control who wins. If you disagree with me then you're just being indoctrinated to believe that the NFL gets to tell you what scoring means. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

Leaving aside the question of what a catch is these days, the ground can cause a fumble despite the conventional wisdom that it can't.

1. No one touches the guy with the ball, he falls and loses control of the ball due to the way his body or the ball hits the ground. That's a fumble.

2. The runner is contacted and as he is tackled, but before his knees, elbows, forearms, wrists, back, ass or whatever hits the ground, he reaches out with the ball to try to keep his balance. The ball hits the ground before anything else and the impact between the ball and the ground causes him to lose his grip on it. He then falls to the turf as the tackle is completed. That's a fumble.

Don't say shit like "The ground can't cause a fumble" just because you've heard it a thousand times from the twits in the press box.

Like Marshawn Lynch, Jamal Charles, Lawrence Taylor, Randy Moss, Mike Vick, Ben Roethlesberger, Emmitt Smith.........!!!

it doesnt matter how good they are if they cant act.

think about that for a while.

defensive player of the year 3 of the last 4 years
..and he just happens to have decent comedic timing.
but you want to believe he only got the commercials because he's a good player?
why does the defensive player of the year also happen to be the best actor/clown ?
http://www.marketmenot.com/wp-conten...commercial.jpg
what a glorious accident the nfl ran into without having any knowledge they would get so lucky!

Proves a conspiracy. If they both did the same thing it would also prove a conspiracy. Everything proves a conspiracy if you want it to bad enough.