It is ridiculous. Everybody was already excited about this class with Russell showing jack shit up till this point. Why should that change now? Why should we pretend Dorsey blew it?

I wouldnt go that far (personally anyway). It just sucks is all..

Im more worried about the present actualy..I believe enough in this regime to have faith in the future. Totally wiffing 1 week into the season sucks, oh well. It happens.

I am kinda surprised they would draft a guy who had academic fraud issues (possibly?)

At worst he is a cheat for no reason, and at best a dummy who needed help on a test or whatever

They whiffed on a 3rd rounder but hit on at least 2 of their 4th rounders, one of their 5th rounders and quite possibly, both of their 6th round picks.

It would have been nice had Russell not been cut because more likely than not, they'll be drafting at least one CB next year, whether it's early or late, but it didn't.

It's far from the end of the world.

I guess i mustve missed where someone said it was the end of the world, thats all

I mean

there has to be something in between

"I dont give a shit"

and

"Its the end of the world"

no?

Dorsey definitely went of the reservation this year with Russell (academic fraud) and Hill (woman beater).

He's currently 1 for 2. Let's hope it doesn't get to 0-2.

Personally, I'm ambivalent, mainly because it appears they hit on Jones, Ehinger, Murray and White. Robinson has upside while I think it's possible that Dadi Nicolas becomes the steal of the 2016 class.

If they had cut Russell and missed on a bunch of other picks, I'd probably be a little more concerned but it appears they didn't.

That's what I thought . No response from smellway !

sorry, I didn't see it

Moved the ball at will on them and it took a questionable call for them to seal the game. Try again Spanky.

All losses ROFL

What? The Chiefs were thoroughly outclassed in that game. Fans here were livid.

Did I just see he got picked up by the bengals?

Yup, I think he'll end up being a solid pickup for the Bengals, given some time.

To be fair he cheated on a test. At a normal school it's a game suspension I believe. Notre Dame is a year

Moving the ball at will in that game seems like an exaggeration. If you can't do anything in the redzone, what you did in the middle of the field doesn't mean that much. The Chiefs were chasing the Bengals that entire game. Not commenting on what that means other than the actual game itself.

rest of 3rd:

Dead receiver, Jones and Burfict literally cost them a playoff win. No, the Bengals have had some success but most of their problem players are still problems.

Jordan Jenkins would easily be the pick for me looking back.

Perfect fit at SOLB. He was penciled in to start there for the Jets before he got hurt.

ROFL
Almost two hours later and Meat Peeker still hasn't answered you.

I think Brandon Williams is starting for the Cardinals. Not sure how he did against NE

He responded just didn't answer, typical.

Eh I wouldn't call Nelson a hit. Regardless I'll give a **** when he finishes with a losing season. Until then let Dorsey cook.

I have to laugh at all the people saying "We cant continue to miss this bad on 3rd round picks."

No shit Sherlock, I am fairly confident Dorsey and Reid aren't slapping each other on the back and high fiving each other. They obviously ****ed up and I am sure learned from it.

The only difference from this scenario and many many many others league wide is they didn't give him a couple years before cutting bait.

lol Davis isn't a hit either...doesn't even play on offense

jury is out on Gaines

Shut the **** up, Claynus

Someone looked up the bust rate for 3rd rounders here once and it was pretty damn high league wide. We struck gokd on a few sure , but that's rare. Hell 2nd rounders were 50 50 shots at best in the research.

could be the example of another lackles effort/ slowstart from the rest of you sobs in the first half , your next. plenty of hungry players ready to step up and earn a spot or take your job next.

leave the extra baggage/ poltical statment attitude at the door do your job, its hard enough to focas on the task at hand than listen to what ESPN wants to make their next fkn agenda, be it redskin, foreskin or what the fck ever

He was terrible. Belichick went after him the majority of the game.

I had posted a "staying power" chart but I haven't updated it in a few years. Might be a project I'll revisit.

Here's the old chart:

http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2dybipcl.png


Basically, this shows that 24% of DB's picked in the 3rd round are successful after 3 years.

I haven't been keeping up with this. Was Russel claimed or added to anyone's PS?

NVM, found it. So the Bengals effectively scored an extra 3rd round pick.

Bengals claimed him off waivers.

Oh, that's right, you live in Cali, too. :D









(Russell was claimed by the Bengals)

We need to start CSNN - California Sports News Network

He claimed at #24, which means that 23 teams and the Chiefs, passed on the guy.

The Bengals are desperate for CB help.

That doesn't mean that the kid is automatically a bust

Of course not but plenty of people on this site thought he'd be claim within the top ten.

It wasn't even close.

Definitely will be interesting to see how he does.





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I said there'd be teams that questioned it and thought if KC cuts him, then no thanks. Seems to be the case.

Anybody have any idea how many teams put a claim in for him?

One.

He lasted until #24.

nobody after Cincy put a claim in?

They sometimes say how many total teams put claims in for the player.

I wonder if any of the other playoff teams wanted to claim him.

Are you expecting Dorsey to miss this badly on a consistent basis?

No it doesn't. He obviously has talent. He knows why he got cut. And if it was attitude,running his mouth or locker room presence that can be easily corrected if he has the desire to do so. Sometimes kids need something like this as a wake up call. Too bad this had to happen.
As far as Dorsey, he continually hits homeruns, more than the Royals anyway. Looks like he nailed the later rounds this year other than Hogan.

I finally got through this thread. I've been busy as **** and there has been a LOT of discussion on it.

It is an unequivocally bad thing that we bombed a 3rd rounder. But I also recognize the value of a roster spot if the guy has no chance. We've bombed a lot of third rounders that would have been better off getting the shitcan and dumpster diving for a better player.

Here are our last 15 years worth of draft picks. Determine from it what you will, other than Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of **** Edwards was a trash drafter. **** you Squimrin Herman Mother****ing Sack of **** Edwards.

What I see here is either 1. A crapshoot or 2. A ****ton of missed opportunities. Probably a mixture of both. Bottom line is we've invested a LOT of roster spots in trash, that we may have been better served by cutting bait and looking in the trash heap.

Dorsey
2016 Russell - BOMB
2015 Chris Conley - Starting ATM
2015 Steven Nelson - Getting some PT at nickel
2014 Gaines - Starting ATM
2013 Kelce - BAMF
2013 Davis - ST contributor, has filled in sufficiently
Scott "Francise Killer Pioli
2012 Donald Stephenson - Eratic at best. Needed Replaced. Badly.
2011 Houston - BAMF (I miss you big dog)
2010 Asamoah - Meh at best. Certainly wasn't worth keeping
2010 Moeaki - Pure Trash
2009 Alex Magee - Pure Trash
Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of **** Edwards
2008 Charles - BAMF, but Squirm thought he needed to sit behind 2.8YPC Spitting Larry
2008 Brad Cottam - Pure Trash
2008 DuJuan Morgan - Pure Trash
2007 Tank Tyler - Pure Trash
2006 Brodie Croyle - Pure Trash
Vermiel
2005 Colquitt BAMF but Punter in the third?
2004 Keyaron Fox - Pure Trash
2003 Julian Battle - Pure Trash
2001 Snoop Minnis - Pure Trash
2000 Greg Wesley - Decent

Looks like we nail one every third year so 2017 is next due. Although Dorsey looked good each year til 2016

It would be interesting to look through all the teams, but I probably don't know enough about the teams to determine whether the player was good or not. But let's look at the Steelers

These stats look wonky, but I got them from http://www.pro-football-reference.co.../pit/draft.htm

2016 Javon Hargrave DT- at least suited up
2015 Sammie Coates WR - 8 games 3 rec 67 yards
2014 Dri Archer WR - 20 games 7 rec 23 yards - 10 rushing attempts for 43 yards
2013 Markus Wheaton WR - 44 games 4 Rushing attempts for 19 yards 103 catches for 1457 yards 7TD
2012 Sean Spence LB - 31 games, 2 sacks
2011 Curtis Brown - DB - 34 games
2010 Emmanuel Sanders WR - I won't list the stats, but he's ****ing good.
2009 Kraig Urbik T - 85 Games
2009 Mike Wallace WR - I won't list the stats, but he's ****ing good.
2009 Keenan Lewis DB - 83 games
2008 Bruce Davis LB - 22 games
2007 Matt Spaeth TE - 123 games
2006 Willie Reid WR - 7 games 4 rec 54 yards
2005 Trai Essex T - 76 games
2004 Max Starks T - 125 games
2002 Chris Hope DB - 163 games
2000 Kendrick Clancy DT - 109 games

I disagree with some of your assessment. Some of those guys that you called pure trash were good players that just couldn't stay healthy. Such as Brokeaki. Also, I don't see a whole lot of guys that I would have cut this quickly. Croyle, for example, was the highest we've taken a QB in forever. Who knows, if he could have stayed healthy and played for Reid, he may have had a better career.

We can speculate all we want, but that is what they produced for us.

Here are the guys that probably needed to be cut and not given a chance. I threw Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of **** Edwards in there too. **** that ****ing guy.

Moeaki had a long history of injury and was overdrafted (just like McCluster, Arenas, Jackson, Baldwin, etc. and so on). He was a 6th or 7th rounder.

Brodie Croyle couldn't read an NFL defense and was quickly out of the NFL. You can't blame it on coaching when the Chiefs were in 1st place with Damon Huard at QB with a 4-3 record but after he was injured, the Chiefs lost every game and finished 4-12.

The following year, Tyler Thigpen beat him out with Chan Gailey at the helm, who's had success as an OC across the league but none with Croyle (Jets, Steelers, etc.).

Still no information has leaked about why Russell was cut so quickly. O came across this article talking about him today. This is what it said.

It's still a mystery why the Chiefs were willing to cut a player they spent a third-round pick on this year. The 22-year-old previously explained to the Kansas City Star that he had trouble getting comfortable with the team's defensive scheme. Whatever the case, Russell is adamant that he doesn't know why the Chiefs cut him beyond it being a football decision.

"That’s how the league is," Russell said. "It wasn’t a character issue. They can eliminate that. I never got into it with any coaches or anything. It had nothing to do with anything. I wasn’t playing bad. It was just a football decision."

Whatever happened with the Chiefs, that's in the past now, and Russell feels confident he'll last with the Bengals.

Hm. Flatly denying he's been in any legal trouble.

I was convinced that's why we cut him.

This is super, super puzzling.

I call bullshit. You don't just cut a 3rd round pick for no reason. It's more telling that he thinks he wasn't "playing bad".

Agreed.

BTW, here is the link to the whole article if anyone wants to read it.

http://www.cincyjungle.com/2016/9/22...ettled-bengals

If you really want to stick the knife in we gave a 4th for that ****ing pile of shit, whoever thought that was a good idea needs to die in a fire of a Carolina reaper tree, while chugging antifreeze and fireball.

"That’s how the league is," Russell said. "It wasn’t a character issue. They can eliminate that. I never got into it with any coaches or anything. It had nothing to do with anything. I wasn’t playing bad. It was just a football decision."

Whatever happened with the Chiefs, that's in the past now, and Russell feels confident he'll last with the Bengals.

"I’m back on a team, I’m confident with this, that I’ll be a little longer," Russell said. "I’m confident. We’ll see, but I think the Bengals showed a lot of love in the last couple days, and I feel I can get on the field here. I don’t know when that’s going to be, but I feel if I work hard enough going against these great receivers we have, the great quarterback we have, the way the defensive system is, we need guys."

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He sounds like an epic dipshit, IMO.

He wasn't "playing bad" but it was "football decision".

What in the name of **** is that supposed to mean?

Sounds to me like the Chiefs expected their 3rd round pick to be able to show that he was able to play meaningful snaps.....and that didn't happen. He apparently doesn't know why they cut him. Nothing legal. No character issues and it wasn't because he couldn't play.

What a ****ing idiot.

I think it goes beyond that. I wonder what he scored on the Wonderlic?

So, he didn't get cut because he played "bad" but it was a "football decision".

He thinks he can get on the field with the Bengals but doesn't know when that will happen and apparently, the Bengals "need guys".

He sounds like he's got an IQ hovering around 75.

Since we don't seem to be hearing any "leaks" about why we cut this guy, the more I'm of a mind to think that our coaches simply felt that we had better CBs on the team with as much potential growth as Russell. Someone had to go, so they simply cut the worst CB on the team. Clearly, a draft fail, but at least they didn't "double down" on it by keeping him around over someone they liked better despite the draft position.

Not sure how smart the kid is but once in a while the jump from college to NFL is too much for some of these IQ challenged guys. It's a pretty complex system in the NFL and if a guy just doesn't get it and is always out of place or lost, what can you do but cut him, admit it was a mistake, and move on.

It sucks cause we burnt a third on this guy. That's really bad that he was cut so quickly.

Oh but they did. When he made final cuts, while Marcus Cooper got traded for a ham sandwich

But Russell didn't really take Coopers spot, Acker did.

The staff liked Peters, Gaines and Nelson a lot already and White really flashed during preseason. Sounds like Russell couldn't play ST's well and we just didn't have a spot for him. Trading for Acker seems like a reasonable move considering only Peters/Gaines had starting experience heading into the season.

Thanks Dave. Thanks for reminding me that we spent a forth for that ****stick.

Coincidentally I was listening to ESPN radio and somebody was talking about something he said. They said, "Have you heard anybody say anything bad about Herm? Everybody loves him."

I was like, "Oo Oo pick me."

Yet KC carries D'AT, Hill and Davis...

And?

That's fine and everything if he has an IQ of 75... but you'd think that would have come out in the drafting process.

Dorsey doesn't sleep on details.

Seriously. What the hell happened.

One of two things happened, here:

1. Russell was exhibiting insurmountable problems of grappling with the defense, problems that Dorsey's scouting would/should have detected.

2. Russell got in some deep shit with someone -- the law, the staff, Clark Hunt... someone. And he was too toxic to keep on the roster.

If it's option #1, it's an epic fail by the scouting department.

If option #2, it's likely an epic fail by Russell.