No, they just released.

Drew Brees, Rich Gannon, Jim Plunkett, Peyton Manning...

Should I go on?

I thought teams **** up...at least that was your last argument...

**** off.

You're just being a dick to be a dick.

Happy New Year, Dick.

You lost, BTW.

Dick.

Heh...name calling indicates the loss. Just trying to follow your logic in this thread.

For me, franchise QB's dont get traded in their prime. HOF QB's do get let go in their twilight (Manning, Montana, Farve)...some teams do **** up and let go of a franchise QB, Farve, Young, Brees, etc...but Alex Smith does not qualify in that category yet.

Will he do it with KC, I'd love to see it...

Rather than call you names, I'll just say it was a good debate until your last post.

EDIT: Oh and YES, the draft is a crapshoot...see Brady, Montana.

Jesus Christ, when you guys break out these tired, hashed and rehashed arguments in yet another effort to denigrate the team because you hate the GM and HC's choice for QB, do you pull out the Members Only and Zubaz before you start typing, or it just a Starter Jacket with some parachute pants?

He was 1-13 on third down. Maybe if he didn't shit the bed so hard when it mattered, it wouldn't have come down to Kyle Williams' fumbles.

The Saints were not defending champs that year; they had lost to the 7-9 Seahawks the year before. In 2011, the Saints' defense wasn't that great: 24th in the league in yards per game, 30th in passing yards per game, 13th in points per game.

Alex put up 264 passing yards on them, only the 11th-best performance against that Saints defense in that category. To put things in perspective, they gave up 380 passing yards to a young Matt Stafford the week before.

The Niners did put up 36 points on them, but the same Saints defense gave up 31 points to the woeful Rams, who had the worst scoring offense in the league, earlier in the season. (In fairness, the Rams did have a pick-six, but the Saints still gave up a lot of points to an anemic offense too.)

Seems to me that game was more a testament to a crap defense making Smith look much better than he really is as opposed to a franchise QB stepping up. Especially since that game was the Niners' third-best performance all season in terms of passing yards (only surpassed against mediocre Philly and Arizona teams) and second-best in terms of points (only the woeful Bucs gave up more, and 7 of those were from a pick-six by Carlos Rogers).

Hey!!! I still have my Chiefs Zubaz, thank you...

Starter jackets are back in style again... :)

LMAO Originally (i.e. a few posts ago in this thread) your definition of a "franchise QB" was:

Then when presented with Neil O'Donnell (i.e. a game manager/Bubble Screen Alex Smith-type QB who started for Pittsburgh Steelers teams in the 1990's that had 4 consecutive winning seasons and who won in the playoffs... fitting your lame initial definition of a "franchise QB"), you suddenly changed your definition of a franchise QB to be...

So now your definition of a "franchise QB" is not someone who has "successive winning seasons and wins in the playoffs", but has "10+ game winning seasons".
Unfortunately your attempt to improve your criteria for what defines a franchise QB fails because Neil O'Donnell would still qualify as a franchise QB using your pathetic definition.

Neil O'Donnell was Pittsburgh's starting QB when they finished 11-15 in 1992, 12-4 in 1994, and 11-5 in 1995.

So once again... a simple yes or no question that even a dumbshit like yourself can answer... is Neil O'Donnell a franchise QB?

JFC you are a lame dipshit.

You are Clark Hunt's ultimate wet dream of a True Fan.

So Colin Kaepernick must be your definition of a "HOF QB" since he was able to take the same 49ers team to the Super Bowl... i.e. further than your "Franchise QB", Alex Smith was able to take them the year before (with virtually the same roster/coaching).

Tell us Kaepernick's record since, you ****ing butt****

Hey, moron, O'Donnell NEVER started a 16 game season, let alone, multiple 16 game seasons.

:shake:

Tell us how much talent/coaching has left the 49ers since their Super Bowl year.

Are you saying that Alex Smith would be able to win with the same shitty 49ers teams (both in overall roster talent and in coaching) that Kaepernick has been a part of these past year years?

ROFLROFLROFLROFL changing your criteria of what defines a "franchise QB"... AGAIN.

Third time in this thread alone.

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

Dumbshit!!! Exposed

Well, Harbaugh was there in 2014, was he not?

Smith would have beaten out Kaepernick, who was awful.

He certainly would have beaten out his replacement, Blaine Gabbert.

JFC, just how dumb are you?

Not the question... the question is would Alex Smith be able to win with the current 49ers roster and coaching staff?

Yes or no.

Also out of his four seasons in KC, how many seasons has Alex Smith started all 16 games... i.e. your (third) definition of what constitutes a franchise QB.

Have you SEEN that Niners roster?

Is that you, Skip Bayless?

I could pull off parachute pants.

Dinny

And Rivers can feel great about that while he's sitting at home watching Alex Smith in the playoffs.

This.

:facepalm:

This is the same offense that Reid has always run. It has nothing to do with Alex Smith. The WCO is by design a "dink and dunk" offense, using short passes like running plays. Have you watched football in the last 35 years?

Favre was traded to GB.

Steve Young traded to SF as well.

Well if "luck" is the criteria then the Chiefs are triply ****ed for eternity, as their luck has proven itself to be pure shit.
It would be in their best interest to start looking in round 2-up and begin taking some shots w/o going full-Browntard.

This needs refinement.

A franchise QB is a QB who can consistently put a team on his back and carry/lead them through injuries, roster gaps, bad drafts, and a myriad of other shortcomings to a winning( by CP Lil' Chiefy standards ), above .500 season and playoff opportunities. If the supporting cast is NOT a disaster and is put together to form a well-balanced team, this QB looks like a stud and makes it all look easy.
(Phillip Rivers fits this criteria)

A Hall of Fame QB can accomplish all of the above AND lead his team to Super Bowls. Even if they don't win the SB, the fact that he got that mess there is a testament to his belonging in the hall.
(Dan Marino fits this criteria)

Short pass, long pass, power run, screen run, long bomb, dink & dunk; style of offense and specialties of the QB's individual game/style don't apply.

Alex has been given everything under God that a "franchise" QB should need to accomplish the task of winning championships. Oddly enough, his personal game is getting worse as his time in Reid's system increases.

I do not believe that is the desired result. Do you?

This is a correct assessment.

Stop talking to yourself. :D

It sure would. Aren't we fortunate to have a Franchise QB who can overcome such an obstacle? :)

Rivers can feel great about his ability to make chicken salad every year, especially with how shitty that franchise has been assembled year-in and year-out since Ladanian left the beach.

Correct, however, that falls into the DaneMcloud exclusion of 'teams **** up'...

If Atlanta had actually played him and discovered what they had, they may NOT have traded him. Unlike Alex, who played several years with SF and eventually was benched.

I saw him play in the preseason his rookie year and even I could see what they had. I said at the time he was going to be good.

You should submit your resume to a few of the NFL teams...many need a good QB talent evaluator.

Kap is 4-2 in the playoffs since taking over for Smith.
Rivers is 1-1.
Smith is 1-2.

Guess all those regular season wins don't mean much in the end.

And yet Harbaugh is getting his ass kicked by ****ing Jimbo Fisher

And lost.

Genious.

LOL...so we know. According to Dane, Ass Kicked = 1pt win.

Thread is still delivering

Perhaps your most successful yet?

If only Alex generated ball-delivery the way he generates discussion...

:D

Oh no. Back I the Herm days I had some would threads.

Word. There's a reason that dude kyle Williams isn't playing anymore and he disappeared a season later after the nyg game. I was pulling for the niners too. They had a real feel good story. Ours is better tho

Dagnabit with the second greatest write-up in CP history.

So... Anyone find it peculiar when Harris did a putting motion and an uppercut after he scored that touchdown?

You're Demetrius Harris?

Wouldn't you like to know

Poser

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ny16/poser.jpg

I would, actually.

No.

Bask in my praise, McCloud. :D

Got damn you're dumb

Clay?!

Actually, with Harbaugh there, he probably would have had a more productive start to his career. And he would not have been stuck behind the Brett Favre show for all those years.

?

Harbaugh arrived to SF in 2011.
Aaron would have arrived in 2005.

:hmmm:

Aaron would have lost his first two OCs from rookie through yr 1 while playing with a talent deprived offense. Then, he'd have been stuck with the likes of Mike Nolan and Singletary.

Very well documented in how crappy SF had it in carousel coaching, shit pass pro OL, and WR.

Point being: Aaron would likely not have survived through his first 5 years, had he been in SF.


All of that is ancient history now anyway. More playoff games ahead for KC! Whoooo!!!!

So there are no "Franchise" QBs then, got it.


If you really believe the first sentence here, then there's no point.. you are completely clueless.

When Smith is given a healthy team, he wins. Even when not having some of the team's better players... he still wins far more than loses.

We all saw what happened in that Indy playoff loss. We all know WHO WAS MISSING in that Indy and Patriots loss.

You are either completely dishonest, or just dumb as shit, if you really believe Smith loses with a full complement of talent available. Just because they're on the roster does not mean they are on the field.

... and with Reid's philosophy? your best players better be on the field when you are up against the top tier teams like NE. In the case of Indy? you need to have defensive starters that can prevent a team from scoring 5 second half TDs.. 4 of them scored within two minutes.

You understand any of this? or are we now at the point where you now glibly deflect all of this truth?

Ouch! That reminds me of the wonderful qb draft of 1983. We picked the first qb, Todd ****ing Blackledge. To hell with Jim Kelly and that "cokehead" Dan Marino. Who needs them? Shit like that hurts for a long time. What's it been, 33 years? I still dislike seeing his mug on college football game broadcasts. Brings back bad memories.

On the other hand, in 1969/70 I was lucky enough to be in the Navy in San Diego and Oakland (TI). That was when the Chiefs were really good! What a wonderful time.

Finished ahead of your shit show team 4 years in a row as QB of the KC Chiefs.

THAT says it all.

Enjoy watching him push your shit in Sunday in the last game SD likely ever plays in SD. Thats got to sting a little.

My bad! He wouldn't have had Harbaugh unless he lasted through to 2011. I was making the point that his GB start wasn't ideal, but, in fairness, an SF start in those years may have not been much better.

We are talking about Rodgers, right? in GB, right?

Other than having an elite TE, what wasn't ideal for Aaron? Multiple years to sit and digest the scheme... Multiple probowl WRs right out of the gate, 1,200+ yard RB, and above average defense.

Your last sentence suggests that a hypothetical start in SF would have been.. "not much better" ?

wtf?

Clay's living rent free in your head, apparently.

Dude, Aaron Rodgers is a future hall of famer and generally produces, puts up (EEK!) stats and looks the freaking part.

Cut him some slack, squirrel tits.

Is TigerUppercut.....(drumroll).......(drumroll)..... CLAY?!?!?

no slack to be cut.. Aaron Rodgers is a very skilled QB. I don't begrudge him his silver-spooning development into the League. Good for him, I say.

I think Aaron would have been a better QB, even if all else was equal between he and Smith during the earlier years. (pending a situation where Aaron has Ryan Leaf moments to derail himself) How much better? that's where we likely differ.

It'd be like, tortoise and hare difference...only the hare wins, but the tortoise gets some people thinking because he keeps going while the rabbit takes little cat naps, by still wins the 5 mile race by like 4.5 miles.

I would take Alex's CHIEFS over Aaron's Pack

ROFL

You mean like, errrr.... Eric's CHIEFS....or Marcus's CHIEFS, or Travis's CHIEFS, or the TYRIEFS!, or Dee's CHIEFS, or Chris's CHIEFS or Dustin's CHIEFS, or Justin's CHIEFS, or Mitch's CHIEFS, or Derrick's CHIEFS, or Dontari's CHIEFS, or Brazilian CHIEFS, or LDT's CHIEFS or like, maybe even Zombo's CHIEFS over Alex.....right?!?!?!?!

Don't think any Packers fans would make that trade in return - I'd say they're pretty happy with the Lombardi that Aaron brought them.

Alex is just another player on the team. No more or less important than any other player. 1/53.

Yes because all 53 parts of a certain machine are all equally important. If something on the exterior of something is damaged, the machine still runs, but it's a pain in the ass....if the motor of the machine is damaged, the machine breaks down, yet it's somehow just as much of a pain in the ass as the exterior damage.

They're all equally important and they all cost equal amounts of money. No difference at all.

Disagree to the fullest. Quarterback is by far the most important position on a NFL football team

Blasphemy.

Smiffans will be along shortly to set you straight.

Dude....you are cray-cray!!!!!!

Certainly none in KC at present. The rest of your excuses I'm not going to bother with.

No, you'll save that effort to excuse every other QB. ROFL

Man...imagine if we were like...living a couple centuries ago and at war with some sort of nation, country, tribe or group of people that would be the Alexuals today....

They would be impaled.

Stop cruising CP and concentrate on GoT.

My wife made me change it... on Six Feet Under second to last episode of the series right now....peeps were getting scared...I'm gonna turn it back soon.

No point in arguing with dumbasses like that guy. I personally think Rodgers is the greatest pure passer in the game but anyone who is familiar with his game in college and going into the NFL knows he would've been broken apart in those first few seasons coming out of the college had the niners drafted him. His mechanics were a mess and he was fortunate to have years to fix them in addition to sitting behind a hall of famer.

ROFL

It's "eludes"

Trying/failing to define "franchise QB" (and changing the definition 17 times in this thread) and now having issues with basic grammar while calling other people dumb... DaneMcVagina is like Alex Smith on third and long in this thread.

LMAO

Bullshit