Man, this thread has taken a turn from 'delightfully obstinate' to 'flat out ****ing reeruned'.

I think most people agree that he's middle of the pack.

It's just so tough to gauge his contribution because his greatest strength is just not ****ing up.. But then you re-watch game film and see that by not ****ing up he's actually ****ing you over by leaving multiple big plays and points on the field.

The problem with the average fan regarding Chiefs QB.

We just need to give him more tools to work with.
Gets more tools.

We just need to fill in a gap or two.
Files in gaps.

We need to provide him a better WR.
Gets better WR.

We need to get him better tools.
:facepalm:

Yeah, Smith ran out of excuses this year.

He had as many weapons as anyone still standing and had some of the best pass protection of any QB in the league.

He's not going to get any better than the last 2 years. The most interesting part is that if you took some of those weapons away and gave him a worse OL, he probably wouldn't even get that much worse.

Smith's greatest strength is his ability to be mediocre even in bad situations. It's not something I'd have ever expected, really.

He should carry value to a team like the Browns, to be honest. He can bridge the gap in a march towards the middle (like he did for the Chiefs) and help paper over some shittyness on that roster. He's an odd duck in that he just pulls everything towards the middle. Bad roster - gets 7-9 to 9-7 results out of the offense. Great roster - gets 7-9 to 9-7 results out of the offense.

He's a good stepping stone QB and there really are some teams that could use that. But the Chiefs are no longer one of them, IMO. Time to figure out a new solution.

:rolleyes:

If Alex is still a Chief after the draft then we know the problem lies higher up in the organization. Andy and Dorsey can't be that blind, they have to see what we see. If the situation doesn't get addressed after this past playoff performance then it's time to give up being a fan because somebody high up doesn't give a rat's ass.

12-4 is so mediocre especially when some of your playmakers like Maclin who had a rough year, Conely who played like a 3rd string WR all year, and Alert Wilson (need I say anymore?). Kelce and Hill were the only bright spots on the team this year. Ware did his part, but he needs some more help. Not to mention, some key players hurt in the OL and a depleted DL and no ILBs worth mentioning at the end of the year. Cornerbacks finally got it together at the end of the year. Special teams was fantastic. But, who is to blame because the average fan above who mentioned we got him all these tools, but forgets to mention the players that were hurt... Alex Smith that's who! And some of you are so butt hurt that you can only point your finger at Alex Smith, as if he was the only player on that field who played against the Steelers that made a mistake? You're some of the same fans that predicted we'd go 8-8 this year or worse! You are some of the same people that drag this fan base down and are nothing, but whiny b*tches. Mellinger and you whiny b*tches should move on if you ask me! Quit your crying, put some pampers on if you can't wipe your own ass, and look at the bigger picture for a change! Bunch Alex Smith haters!

oh look tigger has a second account

Either you're trying to hard to troll, or you're too ****ing stupid to see that Alex Smith at his best isn't good enough to get it done.

You wish you were half as smart as the average fan.

Glad to have you here Mrs Smith!

You haven't missed the nail with any of your posts lately

What if Dorsey drafts a QB with a high pick and Alex is still here?

Are season tickets still available?

We will have hope...

I think most of us could live with that. Sitting a bona fide prospect for a year or two would be the best scenario Chiefs fans have seen since the 80's. We need to draft and develop. If that means Alex at the helm for the next year or two, I can live with that.

Feb 2013 join date. Enough said.

could live with that

I disagree. Outside the Chiefs fan base you will most people have him in that 18-22 area. I think that is fair and accurate.

Agreed

Would rather have the guy willing to take the shots down the field in Foles, but if Alex is the bridge then so be it. I can live with watching him fail for another year while the future gets prepared.

Then I will be playing more golf on Sunday's and I won't get indigestion watching Cassel II going fetal. That's a win win for me. :thumb:

Lot of variables here.

- Dorsey/Andy could see that Alex cannot take this team past the divisional round. So why waste a year of rookie sitting on the bench if this team is not even sniffing the AFCCG? Rest of the full strength team on paper looks good to get to 8-8 with a rookie.

- Based on the above if they decide that the rookie starts why have Smith as his backup and create a possible controversy if we start 1-5 or something?

- Dorsey could like the QB class of 2018 better, so same old non-productive offense with no hope in sight for the fans who are not privy to Dorsey's thinking.

- Rookie QB could light a fire in Alex, he could play lights out (Okay that is just wishful thinking).

If it were up to me I would force Andy to turn over playcalling and offensive management to a real OC and stick with Alex for 2017. Then draft a QB in 2018, which is supposed to be a much better class than 2017.

Reid's playcalling has receivers running wide open all over the field.

"Wait till next year, better QBs" is what the Chiefs have been doing the last few decades

Haven't receivers been running wide open for 4 years now? Why has Reid been waiting for next year every year now?

Said this before, and will say it again.

Some people (Tigger), cannot process the fact that Alex Smith's mistakes arent the conventional mistakes a QB makes (such as throwing a pick six, throwing in interception during crunch time, etc).

Alex Smith mistakes are opting for a dump off when he has a receiver sprinting wide open down field. Alex Smith mistakes are bailing from a clean pocket right as a WR is breaking open.

While throwing interceptions can be critical, game changing mistakes, I would argue that missing a touchdown that a junior college QB would hit on can be just as backbreaking to a team. Alex demonstrated just that last weekend.

They most certainly have. 2013 was the apex of Smiff's pathetic little career and once he signed his extension that offseason he was tied to the team a minimum of three years. If they had gotten rid of him any point before this offseason, they would've taken it in the turd cutter from his dead money.

Now is the time to draft a freakin quarterback.

Right! It is exactly why lot of Chiefs games remain close until the very last play. Many here have argued winning close games while expecting the D and ST to always make a play is not sustainable.

Smith should be cut! We have seen the all 22 reviews for 4 years now it says he sucks. That is all that needs to be said. Give Foles his 10 mil, draft a QB early and let's get better.

This times eleventy billion

Does the sun rise in the east and set in the west?

I agree that Ware needs help. He needs help from his QB. The pass that wasn't made to Hill is one prime example. That pass needs to fly, even if it is incomplete. Even the threat of a downfield passing game could lead to Ware being able to run it 25-30 times a game like the RB from the Steelers did for a buck-seventy.

Alex Smith is a job saver. Reid and Dorsey are in no danger of being fired or replaced or anything else when they have a team, including QB, who is getting them to the playoffs. That's why Marvin Lewis is still around.

So much this... yes, interceptions would go up under Foles

But so would chunk plays and touchdowns, give the guy a full offseason and camp as the starter and watch our underutilized stars like Hill, Kelce and Maclin blow up

He is in house, there would be no learning curve on the verbiage... he is the perfect bridge player for any potential rookie

I know I'm not the only one who noticed the difference in playcalling and/or decision making during his game and a half this year... sure, he misfired on some of those long throws, but at least he took those shots

And dont tell me about his time with Kelly, or those disgraceful Rams... think about him with permanent starter reps under Reids tutelage

Alas, I fear its all a fever dream anyway... they're gonna stick with one of the easiest to gameplan for QBs around next season, I'm sure of it

The Alex cult

Smith missed two throws to Ware. It's pretty much impossible for a 5-10 RB with a cracked rib to make these catches and/or get YAC.

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We'll keep Smith....cut Foles and then watch as another QB needy team takes a chance on him.

I just laaaaaughed and laughed at that screen pass.

For once we set up an honest to goodness running back screen and it actually worked. Somehow Smith missed the throw.

And why? He got spooked by the pressure. On a screen pass. Where the pressure is allowed by design.

He was spooked by pressure that didn't exist in that game as well as pressure that we allowed to exist and he KNEW would have to exist in order to make the play work.

The guy played like shit.

:banghead:

Good luck to whoever takes Foles.
I have no doubt that he will continue to be a backup at best

What are you basing that take on?

His sample size of play suggests that he's capable of having 1 fantastic season or 3 not so good seasons.

Tiger?

Your sample size is extremely tainted by

a) a head coach unable to alter his scheme to account for DCs catching up to his trickery after that year

b) an absolute rock bottom NFL offensive program in St Louis... Jeff Fisher and all of his offensive coaches should never work in the league again

But if you'd rather stick with Smiff until our rookie phenom arrives, then thats on you

Cutting Smith outright (before his roster bonus is due on 3/11) and then playing Foles under his present contract would put the Chiefs about $1 million worse off from a cap standpoint than they would be if they kept Smith and released Foles.

Not enough to matter either way.

So like I said earlier, I've reached the point now that even if I can't get Foles to restructure, I just cut Smith and Foles is my starter. If Foles absolutely eats shit, we've moved into the top 15 of one of the better QB classes in a long-time come 2018 (and if we've already drafted a QB in 17, that puts us in a prime position to trade back in '18 and recover some of the assets we surrendered to get our QBOTF in '17).

Best case scenario is that Foles actually throws that !@#$ing pass to Tyreek Hill the next time it's wide the **** open and we win a goddamn Super Bowl.

In either event, I prefer the range of possible options under Foles more than I do under Smith. With Foles, on one end you have 6-10 and a top 12 draft pick, on the other end a championship. With Smith on one end you have 10-6 and a probable first round loss to 13-3 and a probable bye...with a first round loss.

Yeah....I'm done with this.

We actually saw Foles make the throw against the Colts when Tyreek had nobody within 20 yards of him. Just like we saw Smith curl into his shell and run away in the same situation

If you're not moving forwards in the NFL, you're moving backwards, even if you're standing still.

Wasting another year of our lives on Alex Smith is foolhardy and just allows the Chargers, Raiders and Broncos to get better while we tread water.

Chargers.
Get better.

BAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

But hey, legit point on those other two guys.

I think we could get a 3rd for Alex. NYJ would make a lot of sense IMO

I'd rather cut both. As much as Smith frustrated me, I have zero faith in Foles over a full season.
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Broncos and Raiders? Maybe.

Chargers? The only way they get better is if the Spanos family sells the team.

He's afraid. His competitive spirit is gone.

I think it also explains the lack or rushing, too.

He's looking at his wife and two small kids, after bouncing his skull off that shit field in Indy.

In that case, who starts and isnt a complete embarrassment?

THIS

I'd cut both, if we're gonna draft a rookie early, and play him.

****, I'm pretty sure Mahomes or whoever could be successful.

This team is pretty set with skill players, plus this offseason of adding skill guys.

New plan. Get rid of em all.

Trade Alex Smith to Cleveland for a swap of 1st round picks #12 for #27.

Trade Nick Foles to New York for their 3rd round pick #70.

Trade Tyler Bray to the Bears for a bag of peanuts and a 7th round pick.

Pretend we're the Redskins...

Draft Mahomes at #12.

Draft Peterman with our own 3rd #91

Draft Kelly in round 5

Get an extra QB coach.

Championship.

Lawdy... those are extreme measures, not sure I agree

But I do like the bold thinking... still, my thought is probably to play Foles while the kid sits a year, everything is so hurried with QBs lately

I honestly think that 1 year to digest and watch can be invaluable... in other words, give the kid a chance to succeed

Not sure I'd be willing to move forward with Foles.

I'd cut both Smith and Foles and bring in Tyrod Taylor when he becomes available.

On another note, as I'm reading through this thread, I keep wondering where we'd be had the Chiefs signed Daniel and drafted Carr, instead of chasing respectability with Smith.

Carr would have started over Daniels

He needs to walk away then.

He's going to command $20M/year.

You willing to pay that?

Cut Smith.
Keep Foles on his $10M season.
Draft a QB in the 1st round.

Let them compete in camp. If the rookie wins out....then you've got Foles as a capable backup who will be gone in a year. If Foles wins out.....then the rookie sits and learns while Foles leads the team.

That much?

I wouldn't have thought that.

No.

:hmmm:

Interesting theory.

LMAO

Bullshit

His self-benching the week after the non-concussion made that crystal clear.

He was getting paid almost that in Buffalo. Next season he was going to make $16 million. He had a 5 year, 90 mil deal.

What do you think the going rate is for a guy like that who hits FA? 28-year old starting QBs don't hit FA every year.

There will be a lot of suitors.

A rookie. If I'm forced to keep one, I'd keep Smith. He's the better QB as much as some would hate to admit it.

But if I don't have to keep one, I'd cut both and move on. Im not even a bring Romo in fan, but if I have to have a vet QB to start while the rookie learns, I'd MUCH rather have him than either Foles or Smith.
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$16MM is almost $20MM? Neat math.

No one is giving up a 3rd for Foles. Especially with his contract. But a swap of firsts would be a good deal for Smith and I am a fan of drafting 2 QBs even though doing it in the first two rounds like the Redskins did is just too much. I'd draft one in the first round and then another in the 5th-7th round.
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I generally agree with your football takes, cant believe this is where you're at

Truth is none of us know what Foles could amount to in a full time role under Reid... the only thing any of us can be certain of is that...

a) it will be a much more exciting brand of football

b) that Hill, Kelce and Maclin will rarely streak wide open and not get their due targets

Fors Gods sake, dont even TRY to tell me that Smith doesnt demoralize his playmakers... we see it every. ****ing. game

They're waving their hands in vain, slumping their shoulders in vain... Reid must surely do a great job of tamping it down, because under a lesser HC offensive skill players would be RIOTING by now

Wow. This is a horrible take.

I think the number of underthrown/overthrown passes would balance out or even outnumber the number of exciting plays with Foles.

And while people say they're okay with interceptions if they come with big plays, they ignore how much turnovers determine games in the NFL.
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That was when he wasn't a free agent.

Teams are QB desperate.

I would be surprised if he got less than 20M. :shrug:

Nick Foles isn't a turnover prone QB.

His career INT% is LOWER than Alex Smith's.

No way, that's why he's being cut.

I actually had a couple guys argue the other day it was all Reid. ROFL

He's being cut because the Bills are stupid.

With the Browns, Jets, 49ers and maybe even the Broncos all needing a QB....there will be a bidding war.

12 QBs already make 20 mil a year. TT will be close to that.

He made 6 million last year and is getting cut to not have to pay. 16 next year.

We will see what his market is.