Florio now saying that thw fifth amendment rights wont save him from suspension

So Tyreek is either a child abuser or is protecting a child abuser that injured his son?

I do. That's why I'm not arguing with you, this time...:D

Florio should stick to horrible football takes.

Regardless of guilt or non-guilt, the Cheetah has used up the last of his 9 cat lives. If he's not a complete idiot, he'll be a choir-boy for the rest of his NFL career.

I was a big supporter of him getting a second chance after what he did in college, as terrible as it was. Now he's on his own.

It's amazing how much people try to ignore the obvious.

Elliot was accused by a woman who sent texts about calling the police to get him in trouble so she could get money and he was suspended. I can easily see Goodell suspending Hill and him doing it mid season so that he misses the playoffs

It probably was. They've probably been investigating it for months but who knows.

Seems like the whole thing was a media circus from the start.

I've honestly never heard a more useless press conference. The meat of it was the DA interjecting his own subjective thoughts and emotion into it.

He's a lawyer by trade.

so, as before, we know nothing except that they suspect someone broke the kid's arm. We don't know if it was Hill, his girlfriend, her mother, some other family member, a babysitter, nothing.

He wasn't even named in the original document, was he?

Sounds ****ed all around.

Lol this is true....well the first part.

Two things:
1. I know you still think it was Tyreek's mom's hairdresser's uncle's mechanic who did it. Or was it Crystal's dad's barber's accountant's dogwalker? Your theories were always so vivid and colorful, FAX The Detective. You seem much more clued in than the DA.
2. There's a material difference between having an opinion on how something went down and convicting someone in a court of law. I am merely opining on the former.

Sounds like the DA and PFT are both donkey or dolts fans and are hoping they can sideline the Chiefs WR for a few games to help their chances. On a wider scope, when did it become the norm for LEO and judicial officers to incriminate people when they can't/don't file charges. It's like a last ditch effort to throw a shitstain on someone who they don't like.

my god.....

are you serious?


that makes it even worse.

And it’s amazing how many of you continue to ignore the difference in those cases and this one.

The fact that in those other cases there was a victim actually accusing the player makes it a completely different situation.

Extend Hill now!! He will never be cheaper

League wont take that chance with no clue for sure who did what because some cops intuition. Tyreek could get a huge payday without even playing another down in football.

My take:

Tyreek won’t face charges, which is good for him.

The DA’s words were very bad for Tyreek in the long term. I don’t see anyway the Chiefs are going to feel good enough about him to lock him up long term. If that’s the case, a trade wouldn’t surprise me. Maybe even very soon.

I agree, but they usually require an allegation. Do you have an example of a suspension like this where there is no direct allegation? I don't remember one.

Not saying he won't be suspended, but it seems fairly unprecedented.

Yeah that's the way I see it as well. I also don't see a long term Hill deal in play for awhile either. Clark has to be leery as hell.

How much money will you put down right now that he doesn't get suspended?

NFL can’t do shit. Records are sealed. Goodell get ****ed

Yep, and this "Hill is protecting an abuser" stuff is all in people's minds. The family could just believe the broken arm was an accident and the over-reacting CPS (that never happens, right?) is trying to make it a crime. No one knows, though, and the amazing leaps some are making would clear the Grand Canyon. :rolleyes:

They don't need an accuser. He has a prior conviction for Domestic Violence.

No the NFL does not have to have the same burden of "proof" that the DA does.

But they do have to have some type of evidence that Hill did something wrong. Zeke was suspended because when they did their investigation they found a ton of evidence Zeke personally did something wrong regarding abuse of women even though charges were not filed. There were multiple incidents with multiple witnesses.

If the NFL suspends Hill it will be because they have evidence he committed this act, if they do not then it doesn't exist.

The NFL can't suspend Hill without some form of actual evidence he did something wrong, you are greatly exaggerating how this works.

That is a possibility that is up to the Hunt family.

So the NFL is going to suspend Hill because why?

Unfortunately for the Chiefs, Hill is both untradeable and impossible to extend now, because every team, including the Chiefs is going to think that something else is coming down the pike.

How will the NFL have evidence when the record are sealed

He good?

:clap: ROFL

Hill is hardly in the clear. The Star buried the guy, almost as if they knew the result would be murky. It makes it harder for the Chiefs to keep him. If he's gone, thank Mellinger and Pryor.

At least we know Veach doesn’t care what act you commit. You perform we will pay. Just look at Clark

Yeah right. They can and probably will. He didn't get a clean bill of health from the DA.

Why would it? The Bill of Rights protect a citizen against governmental overreach. They have no application in a private setting, such as a place of employment.

Whis is both accurate and understandable.

By all accounts he has issues and she has issues and now they are having 2 more kids.

Its not a good situation.

You could also thank Tyreek Hill for beating the shit out of his girlfriend when she was pregnant, thus rightfully casting a pall over his integrity and character.

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Detective Kietzman is now saying Hill is guilty, and that the evil Chiefs don't care.

You're conveniently leaving out that the victim is a minor.

There absolutely IS an accuser, they're just not talking publicly.

Well it is good news.

Hopefully Hill will get his shit at home together.

I can see the NFL punishing him, but the most I could see if 2-3 games max.

Based on suspicion. That's all they need and DA left that suspicion way out there. Just becauee maybe he did it is enough.

No idea. They may or may not have evidence but you can bet they have looked into it on their own. We will see.

Tyreek buried himself. He didn't need help from anybody to do it.

Yeah. They both need help, but in situations like this, people that need help usually end up finding other people that perpetuate their destruction rather than their redemption.

Sounds like a classic Keitzman meltdown where the result isn't what he predicted.

It's a child case. 6 or more, they won't go light.

'work at will' - they're an employer.

There's an allegation. The victim was a minor which creates the perception of there not being an accuser but there still is one.

100% correct. From a pure football/salary-cap perspective, as long as he isn't suspended, this "situation" will actually end up working out well for the Chiefs. Hill's price tag just fell off a cliff, at least in terms of up-front, guaranteed money. And doubtful we'll see a bunch of other teams beating down his agent's door for him to sign there and bring his public relations baggage with him.

NFLPA powers....activate!




And I'm not defending Tyreek the guy here, just Tyreek the player. But when it comes to either the guy or player, it's not what you think or even know, it's what you can prove. IMO, of course.

So any person can make a random allegation and the NFL is obligated to suspend the player? That's how it works even with no evidence?

An accuser that was nowhere around and didn’t even know when the kid broke his arm.

Hate to break it to you guys, but this is how 90% of the country is probably going to view this outside of Chiefs fans.

Just sign him now. Could get him for about 10-12 mil a year instead of 20

Woof. Florio telling Pryor to hold his beer.

We won't know for sure what happened until TMZ releases the video to the NFL and the Chiefs.

CAN WE UPDATE THE THREAD TITLE?!?!?

Just take out the press conference time and put (UPDATE: HE GOOD)

"if this happened and was caught on tape, he's be prosecuted".

riveting take by Kietzman

Did I miss the part where Hill was charged with a crime? Not being charged is a clean bill of health. The DA can literally say anything because no one will ever see whatever evidence there is.

Yeah, except the NFL has made it clear that they don't view it that way. The saga ain't over it seems.

Huh? They can have an out clause in case of any future legal troubles.

Random allegation? The kids arm was broken you ****ing reerun.

He's not melting down. He sounds gleeful.

He loves this shit. Remember the locker room drug ring?

I'm simplifying it for the sake of discussion but you know how the NFL works.

The kids' broken arm is plenty enough evidence for the NFL to investigate. And Hill's apparent willingness to invoke to avoid charges could, in and of itself, be grounds for a suspension.

Kind of like the DOT taking your license if you refuse a field sobriety test.

The DA was explicit that he wouldn't discuss whether others were in the home or around the kid. If there was family around or staying at the neighbors or whatever, that widens the pool of potentials considerably and makes "beyond a reasonable doubt" pretty much impossible

Per Seth Keysor

We did it gang!! Tyreek is in the clear! Want to thank everyone who contributed along the way! In8men played a huge part along with BleedingRed and Pugsnotdrugs with his logical takes behind this. Super Bowl!! #Chiefskingdom

1. No. But even if I did believe it was the mechanic, I reserve the right to speculate while allowing others to do the same. Meanwhile, I sense a disturbing double standard at work. As for being an aspiring DA, I read a bunch of Martha Grimes ... so there.

2. I'm all for having opinions. For example, I have the opinion that Presumption of Innocence separates us from the animals and the Rule Of Law isn't just a trope. That's as easy to understand as I can make it.

Lastly ...

If it's proven that Tyreek hurt his child, you would never see me defending the bastard. I don't operate like that. However, given all the family drama at work in this situation, it's perfectly reasonable to consider the possibility that things may not be as "cut and dried" as you apparently prefer to believe.

To be clear, I don't fault you for having a personal perspective. In fact, I encourage stuff like that. I just wouldn't want you in a jury box judging me ... if it ever down came to it. Depending on the court, the defendant gets a few vetos during the selection process. No offense, but I think I'd use one of mine for you. Look on the bright side though; no dollar-a-day jury duty.

FAX

You really think they have no evidence?

Florio's been a nauseating little sawed-off SJW for quite some time.

I'm trying to think of other NFL precedents.

Wasn't Adrian Peterson suspended for overly disciplining his son? Or was it something else?

Yep there was evidence tho

We’re all family here!!!!!

We good and he good!!!!!!!!!

Being charged with a crime has zero bearing on the NFL process.

Not being charged is not a clean bill of health, not in civil court and not in the NFL.

Or did you completely ignore the part about the ongoing CPS investigation?

If it turns out that Tyreek did not abuse his son and is only protecting someone that did, would you condone that?

man....this has been a lot to take in, and it's stressing me out.
I need to swing by Smoke N Fire to take my mind off of things.

LOL ... I was 100% with you until that sentence.

Conflating the Department of Transportation and the National Football League has my head a-spinning.

FAX

Well you don't ****ing say, Kevin. Lol

Oh hell yes I remember all of that. I do believe he said it would "shake the NFL to its foundations", or something along that line.

He's probably just happy his ratings are soaring for the day as people tune in to find out what was said about Tyreek.

Did the DA specify the injury this was about?

Because what I’ve heard is about injurIES far more egregious than a simple broken arm. Injuries that make what AD did to his son look like kids play.

I would be willing to bet we all have had co workers that were under investigation for nearly the same thing and we never even knew it. The employer could but but no charges they better look for other reasons to get rid of them.