Excuses? What in the world are you talking about? You’re like a petulant child with this nonsense. I made a bet that it looks like I’ll lose. I think a fair thing would be to re-strike it 1 sack lower (a level at which I would still likely lose) given the suspension that was based on actions before this season when my entire argument - and this entire thread that you feel the need to spend time in - was based on improved character and attitude. But I’m fine keeping it as is and am not complaining or bitching. That’s clearly your role here…endlessly.

I think it's good to have a few people like DJLN and myself in this thread to be sensible and non homers. TBH we kind of have to constant be in attack mode in here because if we didn't, then this thread would derail into delusions and false hopes.

LOL. No Chiefs fan actually loves or really likes Frank Clark. The dude has been a massive disappointment as a member of the Chiefs. He’s at least in a better headspace at the moment and has had some flashes this season after a couple seasons when he added nothing.

No one thinks he’s been great by any stretch. Your primary argument is about Clark’s impact in our 2019 playoff run. Everything you and I disagree about since then is literally inches of performance.

I know there are a bunch of trolls in this thread, but there are a few people in here that actually like him and they eat the overly homerism trolling for Clark up.

When Clark first got here he was a very meh player in the regular season and turned it on in the playoffs. He was that guy making game changing plays in the playoffs. Then he dropped off and was meh all year with no 2nd gear come the post season.

He seems to have upped his game this year. This will be his best regular season performance of his time in KC. This is his best year here. I don't know if that will last, if he will even be here next year, or if that means he can hit that 2nd level in the playoffs at this point. He might not.

We should believe though that he's got one more post season run in the tank. It is possible for him to achieve that level of play at present. He might not play the number of snaps he did his first year here but he can still be a game changing player for us this year.

I'm optimistic while understanding this could go either way. We may find out he's no longer able to make magic or he may have one more Montana type run for us at DE before it's time to move on...

Lol, he didn't turn anything on in the playoffs besides an ability to run into sacks because of the dominance of his teammates.

I'm not up for rehashing this though.

Upped his game up from complete trash to slightly below average? We'd be better off with literally any cheap player or even a draft pick. His cap amount is sickening.

Jesus ****ing Christ, a Montana run? Please tell me youre trolling.

Would you agree that this has been the best regular season performance of his time here?

And he will wear it backward like a dipshit.

I'm under the impression Frank will be on the the team next year. His money is guaranteed. Not only that, we don't have anybody to take his place. High end pass rushers are kind of like LT's. There isn't many and Frank does still explode off the line.

To be honest, Spags plays a ton of contain along the DL. I think it affects the stat numbers for EDGE rushers. However the Chiefs play with a lead a lot. When teams rushing attacks go out the window the KC rush comes alive.

He had 8 sacks in 2019 and 6 in 2020. Last year was just dog shit, so I'd say he's better than last year. He's been garbage so it's hard to say what year was less shitty than the others.

Ive never attempted to wear or owned a flat bill and I've never worn a hat backwards lmao.

Why you so angry? Are you sad because another year is gone?

He's been good at setting the edge and playing the run game. That might not be sexy but it's necessary. He's been good about being in position to disrupt the play. He's been good at a number of things that don't show up in the box score.

And sacks are a strange, lucky, streaky statistic. I like TFL's because it doesn't matter if it's the QB or HB or WR - bringing the player down behind the line loses yardage and sets them back. 3rd and 20 is 3rd and 20.

No single stat tells the whole truth. Frank has been quicker, more effective, and had meaningful plays this year to end drives.

He is not a perfect player and I'm not arguing we should try and bring him back. I just think this has been his best regular season. Contract year makes contract player...

Guess it is because you come off as a nerdy 14 yo with dumbass takes. I don't think I have seen anyone in this thread that believes FC has lived up to the contract he signed. He must do a few things right as he gets plenty of snaps. I damn sure will take our defensive position coaches on who gets those snaps over your opinion.

If that's all we're grading he was not worth the money he was paid. Period.

I choose to look at the bigger picture - he was a significant part of the team that won the Super Bowl. We won the super bowl.

I don't care if that means we "wasted" draft picks, overpaid the punter, ran the ball on 3rd and long, or Clark didn't get to eat chocolate for a year. Whatever it cost it resulted in a SB. We won the SB and overpaying Clark was one of the things we had to do to achieve that.

I finally got to see KC win one. If that means Clark got more than his due - whatever. Don't ****ing care...

You said a suspension for criminal conduct was 'out of his control' and doubled down on it.

Of course your role isn't complaining - it's fondling Frank's nuts.

No.

His first season, while mediocre, was better than this one.

We don't have a playoff run this year to look back on yet. That could change things either way...

Frank Clark has exceeded my expectations this year.

Everyone can take that statement exactly how they want to.

Holy **** with the whole “who will take his place” first it’s OJB and now the Shart. The term average (and that’s being nice to both) is middle of the road. You’re telling me we can’t find some “average” edge that can’t shit themselves just as well as he can for a fraction of the cost?

Are you usually this obtuse or are you just doing it here for kicks? It was out of his control in the context of this thread which was predicated on an off-season change in attitude and behavior. A bet was made based on his production going forward, not based on the past. Keep ignoring that, though, and creating your own narrative for what’s being defended and debated here. It’s cute and you’ve spent a lot of energy on it and even Frank Clark is flattered by your attention.

The snaps thing is such a dumb argument. He gets snaps so he has to be good? Look at last year, ma'am. Sorenson, Hitchens, Ben Nieman. All sucked and got snaps. That is the "I can't come up with one good reason for a player to be playing so much, so I'll say the coaches know more than you and gives him a lot of snaps" argument. It's an argument from someone that knows jack and shit about what they are watching.

Also which of my takes do you have such a problem with and what is wrong with what I think about that specific take?

I get his point though and one should have taken into account the amount of time he might miss from his arrest due to suspension. I thought it was pretty well speculated that something would happen, so it wasn't like this was a surprise.

Where did I say he was good? Also you play with what you have dumbass. We have a head coach who focuses on offense rightfully so with Mahomes. We aren't loaded on defense. We shored up in the secondary and LB. We were unable to score on Interior DL which opens up rushing on the ends. Karloftis looks like he is coming along fine. So we fill in with old vets get used to it as long as Mahomes is our QB and Andy is our coach. Are we not winning?

You said he must do a few things right based on how much he plays. Clark has the 4th highest cap hit on the team this year, so no it's not a typical sign a vet to help cut costs. He's not cheap whatsoever and next year he will be out 2nd highest cap hit other than Mahomes. If we keep Clark then he's taking up about 14% of our total cap next year. Your old age is making you forget a vital part of the signing a guy that's a little past his prime and that vital part is that you do it for cheap.

I'm really looking forward to 2023 and not having to talk about Frank Clark anymore.

3rd and 2 on that 2nd Donx drive. Handoff to L. Murray. he knocked Clark 4 yards into the 2nd level. LMAO

Is he playing today?

I would rather listen to the 3rd down horn on repeat than watch Clark play football

I wonder if it might benefit the DLine to have Clark (on 3rd and long), switch inside like they've done with Danna and GK. Just sacrifice him in there. He can fall down or or do the spin thing

His money isn't guaranteed. And Clark doesn't 'explode' any better than any other run of the mill 3rd round pick.

**** y'all are dumb sometimes.

Unless someone else wears 55 and predominantly shut down this last drive (and was held the play prior).

Saw him there.

Must have been his only series. :D

Still ****ing sucks.

Wait until you see his coverage grade this week.

LMAO

twisted.. you're the best.

When I first came to KC I looked at all the things that have worked well for other DEs over the years and said, “I’m not going to do any of that.” Most DEs try to get around or through the tackle but I’m an artist. I like to bait them into believing they’ve wrecked my shit by shoving me to the ground or completely washing me out of the play but that’s when I strike. Laugh now but that’s show business baby. I’m on Mount Edgemore along with Edgerrin James and that guy in the 24/7 skull cap from U2.

- Frank Clark

Yep still sucks with that spin around to nowhere pass rush move.

LMAO

It's like watching a kid go down the spirals at Arrowhead. Only thing missing is the chop.

This is so good... LMAO

Frank had another decent game, nice job.

The blatant holds on Frank and CJ were just ridiculous. Would be nice if the refs actually called the holds at the line half as quickly as they call ticky-tack DPI . . .

He looked pretty damn good today.

He was pretty worthless if you ask me.

First ballot HOF imo

Lolz, wrong thread.

And get some glasses.:loser:

Lol! I like it

So many of Frank's family members here. Show us your spin and fall down move.

He's too predictable

When you continue to grade him on a curve, I guess you can get to 'decent'.

But he was the 4th best DE on the roster today...

Guess we'll have to start tracking 'invisible holds' along with 'edges set' and his coverage grade...

I’m just glad you’re thinking outside the box now.

You can’t grade Frank Clark on the normal curve as he does so many things we’ve never seen before. And will never see again. No one has ever done 6 spin moves before getting to the QB in league history.

I’m just enjoying watching a virtuoso pass rusher.

not sure what you're getting at. Frank made some plays, no sacks (i think), but he made some plus plays for the defense.

And I don't know what game you were watching, but those holds on CJ and Frank and Danna at least once, were hardly 'invisible.'

What was his coverage grade today? Link?

Carlos Dunlap is far and away the better player

Storm coming, beta bitches…

https://twitter.com/PJGreenTV/status...9YKZK6TwbTGLzQ

Simmering…

Watch this play:

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Jones on one end, Clark on the other. Both guys get chipped but Jones clearly gets the harder chip by the more physical player.

Jones takes on the chip, battles through it, gets to the RTs shoulder and ruins the play. Clark does that dipshit spin move and gets swallowed. The difference is just night and day.

Or this one:

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I have no idea what he's even doing there.

Or this one:

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Gets stuffed at the line, runs down the line (HUSTLE!!!) and again gets beat to the edge so that he made no meaningful impact on the play at all.

The guy's a complete non-factor out there.

80.9!!! Bes coverage grade on the squad!

Frank Clark with the late-career renaissance into a ****ing lock-down DB!!!

Who cares about another 60 pt pass rush grade?? Or the 58.5 run stop grade?
This dude is locking fools down in space!

Shart Island, baby!

Worst pass rush grade of all our DEs on Sunday AND the worst run-stop grade of all our DEs.

The guy's a terrible defensive lineman.

But he MIGHT be an elite NCB - so he has that going for him!

Why does he do that spin move? There's no way he sees himself do it in film review and thinks it's a good move

Blood gets in the water and he just goes into a frenzy.

He just blacks out and starts thrashing about out there. He doesn't even realize he's spinning until he watches the tape.

All the tards saying he had a decent game because he got held, but it wasn't called once or twice are literally as dumb as dog shit.

Pretty clear that he's dropping back into coverage as he has an innate sense - called it's a shark's sense - that he'll be needed back there if Wilson throws up a prayer to Murray.

And then who's there to clean it up and come up with the ball? Who's right around Murray? None other than our Frank Clark, lockdown DE.

That constant spin moves puts his back to the QB, preventing him from raising his arms and potentially blocking a pass.

There is no reason he should be on our team next year.

Pretty remarkable stuff.

It's the same as the "Look - Moore was open!!" crowd.

Did you know that Frank Clark is the only DE in football who gets held and it isn't called? Never happens - only to Frank Clark. Completely unique to him because of that fabulous spin move that just leaves guys grasping at air.

Guy played like shit again yesterday. He's played like shit every week since he came back with the exception of a starting quality game against Houston (and I've already talked about how that game was actually not even that great to begin with).

Hasn't had a pass rush grade over 65 since he returned from his suspension and has averaged 60.4 over that time. Has averaged a 61.25 run grade over that time. Averaged a 57 tackling grade since the suspension.

"HE'S IMPROVING!!!!"

People are seeing things that just are not there with this guy. And it's been that way since we acquired him. I don't get it.

I don't feel like you're considering the blitz packages Spags could install with Clark at the Nickel.

And I don't mean sending Clark - because lord, that's just an awful idea. He's a worse pass rusher than Steve Gleason.

I mean sending Clark into the pattern to just blanket guys while you send Willie and Chenal off the edges. Because there's just gonna be nowhere to go with the football when the Shartnado is out there locking guys up.

His ampullae of Lorenzini are tingling.

#sharkweek
#clarkweek

LMAO

Whoa, whoa, whoa...this is not fair!

Well, at least this thread has become funny.

LOL

They said clark out with a groin. I couldn't tell he was ever in

Thank god for that bye week. Not sure how this team can get by without Clark.

I guess he was Frank the shart today,not the shark.

Last game as a Chief?

We still have 3 games left over the next 5 weeks so no.

I owe a couple of you $100. But we all know this was his game to shine so you only really won on a technicality + Uzi violation.

So I guess he still does suck after all.

Did he hurt his groin 3 years ago is that why he's never played for us?

Take your time, Frank. No need to rush back.

Groin injury.

So the brokedick broke his dick?

Seems about right.

Go on vacation with CEH.

Hey DPLBGT...

I was implying all was to go to CP if I lost and you would do the same if I won... I will provide proof I sent $100 to CP today and if you want to mooch CP out of the money, thats on you. Also, no where does it say Regular season, so if Frank gets 3 sacks in the playoffs you can pay CP $100 as well.

LMAO

You're a good cat, TC.