Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 16838062)

This amount of anger is just latent spillover from Twisted owning your ass in the Matt Ariza thread. Let it go, dude. Everybody has obviously forgotten that you are a rape apologists who doesn’t believe in the science behind blacking out while drinking. You never see the real Mel Kiper get upset when people call him an idiot. Try to be more like your idol.

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16838284)

The only cock sucker on this board I hate more than you is him. Congrats on that. Hope you both drown in anti-freeze while sucking each other off.

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16838252)

Every player has a list like that, that's played as long as DHop has. Mahomes has a list as well. But like DHop, few, like two, kept them off the field, so what?

This isn't about like. I don't like Josh Allen (in particular) or Joe Burrow, but I'm not stupid. I can see that they're both elite level QBs. I can discern that if Mahomes didn't exist, and I had either of those two QBs or could acquire either, I'd be happy to have them playing for my team.

The fact remains that if DHop walked into the building, he'd be the best WR on the room, not just in 2023, but the best WR that Mahomes has ever played with, by a large margin.

KC scored TDs at an historic rate when Kelce, Hill and Watkins were all healthy and on the field at the same time. And DHop is significantly better than Watkins at his peak. It was so efficient, that our PK and punter barely saw the field, turning in nearly record lows in FGA and punts. And I think, I'd have to go back and do the math to be sure, but I think KC was scoring at over/nearly a 70% clip when they were all healthy.

And as I've said, none of us really know what Dhop wants, or even what ARI really will accept right this second. It's speculation. Just as I don't really know if DHop wants to come to KC. But if Veach signs him, I'm sure it will be fine, because he wouldn't eff the team's future.

Now, personally (dropping the DA thing for a second), I don't think we want to give up a 2nd for DHop. Iirc, we only have like 9 picks this year? So that might not be the best idea. But a 3rd and almost anything? Sure, why the hell not.

Originally Posted by Abba-Dabba (Post 16838304)

Sep 3, 2013 NFL Knee Patella Fracture
Oct 19, 2014 NFL Chest Rib Sprain/Pull
Aug 31, 2015 NFL Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull
Oct 8, 2017 NFL Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1
Jan 6, 2018 NFL Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1
Feb 28, 2017 NFL Shoulder
Jan 8, 2020 NFL Knee Strain Grade 1
Oct 10, 2021 NFL Cervical Neck Stinger

Then there is DHop

Sep 20, 2015 NFL Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1
Dec 23, 2014 NFL Hand Wrist Ligament Tear
Aug 17, 2013 NFL Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1
Dec 25, 2017 NFL Leg Calf Pull
Jan 5, 2019 NFL Shoulder A/C Joint Sprain
Aug 16, 2020 NFL Thigh Hamstring Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1
Sep 30, 2020 NFL Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1
Oct 21, 2020 NFL Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1
Dec 10, 2020 NFL Cervical Neck
Dec 10, 2020 NFL Back Lower Lumbar Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1
Sep 22, 2021 NFL Chest Rib Sprain/Pull Unspecified
Oct 25, 2021 NFL Thigh Hamstring Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1
Oct 28, 2021 NFL Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2
Dec 13, 2021 NFL Knee MCL Tear Grade 3
Dec 29, 2022 NFL Knee Strain Grade 1

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16838306)

Who's the first list? I don't understand where that came from.

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16838252)

Every player has a list like that, that's played as long as DHop has. Mahomes has a list as well. But like DHop, few, like two, kept them off the field, so what?

This isn't about like. I don't like Josh Allen (in particular) or Joe Burrow, but I'm not stupid. I can see that they're both elite level QBs. I can discern that if Mahomes didn't exist, and I had either of those two QBs or could acquire either, I'd be happy to have them playing for my team.

The fact remains that if DHop walked into the building, he'd be the best WR on the room, not just in 2023, but the best WR that Mahomes has ever played with, by a large margin.

KC scored TDs at an historic rate when Kelce, Hill and Watkins were all healthy and on the field at the same time. And DHop is significantly better than Watkins at his peak. It was so efficient, that our PK and punter barely saw the field, turning in nearly record lows in FGA and punts. And I think, I'd have to go back and do the math to be sure, but I think KC was scoring at over/nearly a 70% clip when they were all healthy.

And as I've said, none of us really know what Dhop wants, or even what ARI really will accept right this second. It's speculation. Just as I don't really know if DHop wants to come to KC. But if Veach signs him, I'm sure it will be fine, because he wouldn't eff the team's future.

Now, personally (dropping the DA thing for a second), I don't think we want to give up a 2nd for DHop. Iirc, we only have like 9 picks this year? So that might not be the best idea. But a 3rd and almost anything? Sure, why the hell not.

Originally Posted by Abba-Dabba (Post 16838312)

Does it matter who it is? Don't worry though. He has played more games than DHop. You said that every player has a list like DHop.

I've clearly shown that not every player has a injury history per your own parameters.

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16838320)

LMAO one dude. Okay, well at least I know how you did in prob/stats in HS.

Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 16838319)

A busted ass Nuk is better than peak Hill??

GTFO with this nonsense.

Originally Posted by Abba-Dabba (Post 16838325)

You said every player. Clearly not every player is the way you say they are. Do you want me to go through all 1500 NFL players to satisfy your needs?

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16838331)

Please do. I'll wait.:thumb:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16838284)

The only cock sucker on this board I hate more than you is him. Congrats on that. Hope you both drown in anti-freeze while sucking each other off.

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16838330)

Lol, for God's sake, are you trolling or do you just not understand how to evaluate/compare two players? When you look at the complete performance/attribute envelope, Hill is significantly better than DHop in two categories: acceleration/speed and let's call it agility. Everywhere else DHop is the better WR. That's not a knock on Hill, it's just reality. Take those tipped balls everyone was so pissed about in 2021. 'Nuk' catches all of those, because he's a bigger player and has better hands.

go down the list of characteristics, DHop scores higher than Hill, outside of those first two dealing with speed and quickness. That's not even opinion; that's demonstrable facts.

Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 16838340)

Hill averages 1,200 yards, 13.9 per, and 9 TDs. Not counting his return game contributions.

All of Nuk’s numbers are worse. And he was the #1, high volume option on some trash teams.

Christ you’re dumb.

Originally Posted by Abba-Dabba (Post 16838335)

Done. Nope, not all have a injury history like DHop. Some more, some less. Happy?

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16838344)

Those are results, not traits/characteristics. I can agree that Hill has better statistics, but that's not what I was talking about. Who's dumb now?

Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 16838351)

He’s a nearly 31 year old PED user.

Why should I GAF about combine/pro day numbers 11 years ago??

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16838345)

Oh, so you not just a pedantic troll, you're also reneger. Got it.

Originally Posted by Abba-Dabba (Post 16838362)

There's no need for that.

You're a victim of frequency illusion. I'm okay with you being mad about it.

Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 16838475)

Kccrow vs Twisted is very random to me. Usually I see crow giving in detailed about the draft so I was surprised to see him going in on someone in this thread. I assumed it was one of the usual suspects but nope it was TwistedChief who's also a pretty laid back poster like crow.


Very ****ing random

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 16838479)

This place spawns some of the weirdest fights

Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 16838499)

**** you

Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 16838499)

**** you

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 16838505)

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 16838505)

Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 16838475)

Kccrow vs Twisted is very random to me. Usually I see crow giving in detailed about the draft so I was surprised to see him going in on someone in this thread. I assumed it was one of the usual suspects but nope it was TwistedChief who's also a pretty laid back poster like crow.


Very ****ing random

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 16838505)

Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 16838511)

BRING IT
https://media.tenor.com/73YPPtOCtFQA...ing-battle.gif

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 16838576)

They'll show up to fight, only to find Titty Meat there just waiting to <strike>whip</strike> defile ALL their asses

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 16838576)

They'll show up to fight, only to find Titty Meat there just waiting to whip ALL their asses

Originally Posted by chiefforlife (Post 16838596)

I have seen numbers for Juju projecting 18/year.

Juju is injured often AND has a chronic knee condition.

Signing him to a 3 or 4 year deal at 18 per is risky and expensive. There will be guaranteed money in that contract as well, yikes.

D Hop is on a two year deal at 19 then 14, no guarantees. NO Where has there been a quote or response from him or his management that he would demand a new contract. He wants OUT of AZ.

AZ is asking for a 2 (starting point). If you could obtain D Hop for a 3 or less (very possible) and he would be less than Juju for two years.

In this case, YES! This would be a huge win for Veach, Mahomes, Andy and the team. To acquire a talent like Hopkins for a below market deal is a GREAT move. It improves the offense/WR room with a savy veteran that could help with all the young WRs. Hopkins doesnt rely on speed to win so his knowledge would be valuable. He is still a TOP WR in the league and would be an immediate upgrade!

Now, if that is NOT the deal and it takes a second rounder, and/or a new contract then NO. It would not be worth it.

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16838337)

This is exactly the type of response I'd expect from a science-denying rape apologist.

Your imaginary Australian friends would be ashamed if they knew the depths of your depravity.

(P.S. - I am entirely indifferent to your entire existence.)

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16838872)

I was correct about Matt Araiza. You weren't.

I do have Australian friends. You don't.

You're one of the dumbest ****ers on this board. I'm not.

It's really that simple.

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16838872)

I was correct about Matt Araiza. You weren't.

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16838878)

…says the guy who denies science and cosplays in his mom’s basement as Mel Kiper.

Oh, he wasn’t charged so you’re correct! LOL.

I can only assume given your emphatic support that you are likely a child born out of rape. And for that reason I hope you overcome this debilitating case of Stockholm Syndrome.

Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 16838886)

Why, because he wasn't criminally charged? I suppose Deshaun Watson didn't sexually assault those women either?

FFS, discount Mel Kiper, just crawl back into your mother's basement and churn out another mock draft. Maybe someday someone other than you will give a shit.

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16838891)

Are you two married or something? Slurping on each other's cum must be really entertaining. Do you wipe the shit off each other's cocks when you finish? A lot of interesting discussions to be had here.

As much as I'd like to whip up mocks in my mother's basement, she's deceased and I'm happily married with three wonderful children. What can you morons say for yourselves?

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16838891)

As much as I'd like to whip up mocks in my mother's basement, she's deceased.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16838894)

good gods, can y'all quit it already?

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16838919)

I'd rather just wait and sign Adam Thielen to a lesser contract when he's cut I think.

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 16838902)

I'll tell ya this Crow, when TC flys in for Chiefs game he charters a private jet for himself... he does ok for himself

Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 16838975)

Brokedick Planet.

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16837451)

Probably not. Why would you take away the guy that was brought in to do exactly that?

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16837493)

Probably. And I like Mecole. Wanted to keep him through 2023. But at the end of the day, he's got one elite talent, and that's speed. Everything else is average to good. And there's no shortage of those kinds of WRs in the draft. .

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16839094)

IDK about that.....did you see the 40 times this past weekend? It's not a draft loaded with speed merchants.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16839087)

Because he's terrible at it and i highly disagree that that's why he was drafted. Their skillsets are nothing alike, and we've already seen that Skyy isn't very effective at Jet Sweeps while Hardman might be the best ive ever seen at it.

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16839205)

Yeah, Skyy is never going to be the go-to guy for jet-sweeps. If Hardman leaves, Toney will be that guy. Doesn't mean other guys won't do one here and there, but of the remaining WRs that definitely will be back for the 2023-2024 season, Toney's by far the best at JSs. Skyy's just not great at them.

Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 16838982)

That's nothing sometimes I take an uber to dinner

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16839210)

Hardman wasn't exactly "great" at them right away. It took him some time to really perfect it. It's still too early to make broad proclamations about Moore.

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16839234)

It's not really about him learning how to do it, imo. I don't think he has the burst for it. I'm puzzled about that, but when you watch him on tape, he just doesn't accelerate the way you expect from a 4.4 guy. Now maybe he had a minor unreported injury issue, idk. But you watch him even in those screens or that punt return vs. CIN, and there's not much of a mid-range acceleration.

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16839234)

It's not really about him learning how to do it, imo. I don't think he has the burst for it. I'm puzzled about that, but when you watch him on tape, he just doesn't accelerate the way you expect from a 4.4 guy. Now maybe he had a minor unreported injury issue, idk. But you watch him even in those screens or that punt return vs. CIN, and there's not much of a mid-range acceleration.

Originally Posted by Razaele (Post 16839256)

Moore seems too limited to become a big contributor on a contending team's offense, to me. He seems like a slot guy who doesn't have the size to work on the outside or be much of a blocker, who hasn't really demonstrated the ability to consistently generate separation, and has ball security issues. He certainly has quickness off the line and can be a role player, but the limitations are significant. I don't think he compares favorably to Hardman.

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16839280)

Don't say punt return fumbles, please. that's a dead issue after the CIN game.

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16839287)

While I'd agree that his punt return fumbles are quite a bit different than ball security issues as a WR, his special teams mistakes are absolutely not a dead issue just because he had two returns against the Bengals that were solid.

Those only become a dead issue when he's done it consistently for a period of time without those mistakes, and I doubt he's getting that opportunity unless Toney gets hurt.

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16839287)

While I'd agree that his punt return fumbles are quite a bit different than ball security issues as a WR, his special teams mistakes are absolutely not a dead issue just because he had two returns against the Bengals that were solid.

Those only become a dead issue when he's done it consistently for a period of time without those mistakes, and I doubt he's getting that opportunity unless Toney gets hurt.

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16839302)

I don't think he ever fumbled a catchable pass.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16839292)

Chiefs are gonna have to find a real punt returner. Toney is obviously a legit returner, but if he ends being a a focal point of the offense someone else is gonna need to step up to the plate.

Toney needs to be kinda treated like McKinnon. Small doses but high impact. Gotta get a full season out of him. Don't want him taking any unnecessary hits returning punts.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16839309)

He had a couple catchables that he failed to bring in. But no biggie, i wouldn't hold it against him. I agree, i think he has good hands.

It's part of the reason i believe his road to snaps is through JJSS's role.

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16839311)

I desperatelt want a real kick returner too. I absolutely hate Pachecho in that role for any number of reasons.

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16839311)

I desperatelt want a real kick returner too. I absolutely hate Pachecho in that role for any number of reasons.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16839309)

He had a couple catchables that he failed to bring in. But no biggie, i wouldn't hold it against him. I agree, i think he has good hands.

It's part of the reason i believe his road to snaps is through JJSS's role.

Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 16839328)

People seem to conflating KNOWNS with UNKNOWNS

Draft - UNKNOWNS
Hopkins - KNOWN

We are talking about potentially adding a KNOWN commodity to our team. Yes would it be nice to have a future HOF WR we draft this year? SURE! but we are never going to be in a position to draft (Can't Miss Players) unless one falls.

The argument is "If we add a top 10 WR to our team on the outside does that make us MORE or LESS likely to repeat in the Super Bowl"

I would argue it makes us MORE.

Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 16839328)

People seem to conflating KNOWNS with UNKNOWNS

Draft - UNKNOWNS
Hopkins - KNOWN

We are talking about potentially adding a KNOWN commodity to our team. Yes would it be nice to have a future HOF WR we draft this year? SURE! but we are never going to be in a position to draft (Can't Miss Players) unless one falls.

Originally Posted by Woogieman (Post 16839338)

His health/age definitley make him an "unknown", much in the same manner of Laveon Bell

Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 16839328)

People seem to conflating KNOWNS with UNKNOWNS

Draft - UNKNOWNS
Hopkins - KNOWN

We are talking about potentially adding a KNOWN commodity to our team. Yes would it be nice to have a future HOF WR we draft this year? SURE! but we are never going to be in a position to draft (Can't Miss Players) unless one falls.

The argument is "If we add a top 10 WR to our team on the outside does that make us MORE or LESS likely to repeat in the Super Bowl"

I would argue it makes us MORE.

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16839354)

Well, first you have the anti-DHoplytes that have convinced themselves that DHop is barely above average as a WR or that he's washed/too old to play @30yrs of age. Then there's the contingent that believes Veach would destroy the future of the franchise if he spent any resources on a top-tier WR. Like Veach would somehow lose his mind, or do hallucinogens before writing up the deal.

When you can't believe your lying eyes and/or fear calculated risk vs. being open to unimaginable reward, this is where you end up.

I will say that I have no fear that the Chiefs won't be back in the SB conversation/race in 2023, regardless of whether we sign DHop. Or even if KC hangs onto OBJ. I don't think in the end it will matter that much. The team's good enough to repeat as is, even without OBJ.

But the margin is thin, and it wouldn't take that much to lose out on the 1-seed, or stumble just a bit and miss a SB appearance. Some people have become drunk on the idea that Pat will just fix any issue, regardless of who's on the field with him. And that Kelce is 27, not 33.

But it is what it is. At this point, I hope they're right, because as I've been saying, I doubt DHop becomes a Chief due to what he'd asked for in a new contract. If he would somehow play on his existing contract of $19-$14, I'd sign him right the hell now. But that isn't an option, so we'll see.

Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 16839362)

Maybe it is, we are officially in the "Ring Shopping" territory for our team. People historically have taken less when Ring Shopping.

Furthermore,
Mahomes in the two remaining years of DHops contract could get him another contract.

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16839406)

The bigger hurdle is probably what AZ wants for him. They're saying a 2nd, but if that's the usual hype from a team trying to trade a guy, maybe they take a 3rd or some package of lesser picks.

Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 16839416)

Arizona is shedding contracts because they KNOW they have to blow it up. Kyler's contract has ****ED them.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16839339)

I'm warming up to the Dhop thing only because i think this draft is loaded with 2nd round type WR's. It's not a top heavy WR draft class. The more i watch the less i see.

Still though, the idea of bringing in OBJ on a short term deal with no draft compensation intrigues me more.

Either way, try to land one of OBJ or Dhop and then add a Hyatt who you can develop as the season goes, and at the very least can do Hardman things in the meantime.

I'm not as high on Hyatt as others, especially after he couldn't break in to the 4.3's. But i do think his floor is Hardman. His ceiling? Shit, could also be Hardman.

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 16839458)

If you see his floor snd ceiling as Mecole, then his value is mid second at best.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16839490)

Yeah.

I think he's a 2nd round receiver that may go in the 1st. And some of these guys who are labeled as 2nd or 3rd round guys may end up being some of the best guys in this class. I don't love this class. It's not like last year's.