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DeezNutz 12-31-2012 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9260444)
Brian Billick won a SB with Trent Dilfer and created one of the most prolific offenses in NFL history with a 35 yr old Randall Cunningham at QB. His QBs in Minnesota were Warren Moon, Brad Johnson and Randall Cunningham - with those 3 guys he had offenses that ranked 7th, 4th, 22nd, 11th and 1st in the NFL in scoring.

I'd say that's pretty damn impressive, wouldn't you?

Billick has done it without an elite QB but has stated many times the importance of getting one anyway. How is that not a perfect guy to get?

He won a SB with an historic defense. And then he never won a playoff game, despite chasing the Grbacs and Bollers of the world. And his success was on and off, which is driven by schedule.

As for MN, he demonstrated that he's an effective OC. Along these same lines, I believe RAC is a pretty damn DC, and I don't want him coaching my team either.

Again, I'm not suggesting the hire would be disastrous. Billick is qualified enough to raise the organization from the dust. But I'll return to one of the recent statements: Cowher would be a vastly superior option, and advocating Billick ahead of the Chin (and decrying him, for some) is hypocrisy.

dirk digler 12-31-2012 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 9260475)
I'd take Arians as well

I would as well

htismaqe 12-31-2012 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9260420)
I am dumbfounded by the Billick love. The same coach who eagerly welcomed Grbac to Baltimore?

We're really going to point to late-90s success as an OC with incredible weapons in MINN?

LOVE?

I CLEARLY STATED that, in the context of discussing Cowher, Gruden, and Billick, I prefer Billick.

I DO NOT WANT BILLICK. But if a retread is what we are going to get, he's the best of the bunch.

Marcellus 12-31-2012 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9260469)
Well, except for RAC.

You think maybe RAC was ready to go a long time ago and Clark and him had already discussed it? That's what I think.

CaliforniaChief 12-31-2012 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9260469)
Well, except for RAC.

Yes, except that for them to interview HC candidates, they had to fire RAC. I really think it's all code for negotiating a buyout or finding the best way to let him go. The gag order's been placed, none of them are coming back.

I hear what you're saying, but what I get from today is that Clark has viewed the HC position as the most important, and he's going to build it around there.

DeezNutz 12-31-2012 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9260453)
It makes no sense to hire a coach responsible for one of the most prolific offense in league history, seeing as how the NFL is now a passing league.

How prolific were those offenses in Baltimore? Why not? Couldn't get the QB?

Hey, if Pioli ends up being good with letting Hunt hold his dick when he pisses, perhaps Billick would return to the role he excelled at, OC.

Bowser 12-31-2012 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9260471)
He's my top pick.

I thinmk he's mine, too. Especially with the thought that we need a QB, and will most likely take one with the first pick.

Imon Yourside 12-31-2012 03:25 PM

CLark will interview Ferentz on wednesday? WTF?

grrrrrrrrr. ok gimme Billick..anyone but these guys mentioned so far.....wow really?

Chiefs Pantalones 12-31-2012 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9260471)
He's my top pick.

JMO, but he seems way too much like a Crennel clone. Way too nice. Could be wrong.

DJ's left nut 12-31-2012 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9260403)
Toward the end? What's the measure of success? Billick would guarantee every-other year success, with decent tailgating and BBQing.

Chiefs fans would love him.

If he wants to be the OC, I'm game.

Why do you say that? It's easy to dismiss him, but tell me what you see in his profile that says he can't one of the 6-8 best coaches in the league.

I'm not after nebulous generalities here - what did you see in Baltimore that tells you he's not a good coach?

He's a proven winner with an offensive pedigree and defensive bona fides. He has exactly the kind of attitude you want to see from a HC in that his players liked him and respected/feared him. He's won with different styles and adapted his schemes to his personnel.

What exactly makes you say that he can't be a routine winner in KC if he gets the QB that he's said he wants? Especially when he's shown that he can win on occasion even if he can't get that QB.

htismaqe 12-31-2012 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9260408)
Absolute hypocrisy to be cool with Billick but anti-Cowher.

I don't like either one but if FORCED to choose between the two, I will take Billick.

Imon Yourside 12-31-2012 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9260496)
Why do you say that? It's easy to dismiss him, but tell me what you see in his profile that says he can't one of the 6-8 best coaches in the league.

I'm not after nebulous generalities here - what did you see in Baltimore that tells you he's not a good coach?

He's a proven winner with an offensive pedigree and defensive bona fides. He has exactly the kind of attitude you want to see from a HC in that his players liked him and respected/feared him. He's won with different styles and adapted his schemes to his personnel.

What exactly makes you say that he can't be a routine winner in KC if he gets the QB that he's said he wants? Especially when he's shown that he can win on occasion even if he can't get that QB.

I really hated him when he was at Baltimore.

Chiefs Pantalones 12-31-2012 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN (Post 9260492)
CLark will interview Ferentz on wednesday? WTF?

grrrrrrrrr. ok gimme Billick..anyone but these guys mentioned so far.....wow really?

WTF?

Imon Yourside 12-31-2012 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones (Post 9260503)
WTF?


"Reports" according to 810

DJ's left nut 12-31-2012 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9260407)
So, take your pick.

Cowher or Billick?

Hmmmmm.....

Probably Cowher in a squeaker because of the sustained success and the fact that he also did it with different styles/systems and with different QBs. Getting to a SB with O'Donnell, winning a couple with Ben and going to AFC championship games with Slash and Tommy Maddox in between is pretty damn impressive.

So yeah, I'd prefer Cowher if given my druthers, though I think Billick would probably be a little better in player personnel decisions.


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