Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10402809)

he has plenty of friends in the league that defend him, his days are far from done.

Dolphins locker room different story.

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10402770)

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"Jonathan Martin also raised concerns with Richie Incognito that he was not playing well, about how upset he was at being ranked by Pro Football Focus as among the worst lineman in the NFL, about his poor performance on the field, his demotion to right tackle and how he was concerned about what the outcome might be for his missing team meetings and about how he felt his job was at risk," Schamel said in his statement to Fox News.

"It was only after sharing these concerns, and Martin's abandonment of the team, that the bullying allegations were raised. Rather than deal with his poor on-field performance and myriad other issues, Martin is now hiding behind false allegations."
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10402788)

Incognito was one of the main guys asked to carry out the 'code red'. .

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 10402829)

His days I think are done because he left work and created a a mess for what appears to be dubious reasons.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10402788)

I call bullshit. If I'm not mistaken, Ireland directed players to toughen Martin up. We don't know if Martin was texting back to play along, or if he was having a friendly text exchange. Both are incriminating to Martin, but there is a big difference between the two.

Here's what I feel like we know. Incognitos dad claimed Martin was suicidal. The dolphins GM knowing this instructed his players to toughen Martin up instead of handle the situation more delicately. Incognito was one of the main guys asked to carry out the 'code red'. I think the story is increasingly forgiving of incognito, but he doesn't have a good history to necessarily give him the benefit of the doubt. So to me, this still reeks of a completely bone headed way of managing a locker room.

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10402848)

he also played on a team with some of the bigger young names in the NFL right now (Sherman, Luck) with one of the better NFL coaches, Harbaugh.

He has Stanford teammates all over. Doug Baldwin, Coby Fleener, etc.

Seahawks, Colts, etc will take a flyer on him, Sherman and Luck and his Stanford pals have defended him in interviews all season, and if they have any clout in their respective team locker rooms (they do, come on) they could easily bang the drum for him and vouch. And then embrace him. And that's good PR, bullied boy goes to team that loves him and players that want him... Dolphins are jerks.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10402788)

I call bullshit. If I'm not mistaken, Ireland directed players to toughen Martin up. We don't know if Martin was texting back to play along, or if he was having a friendly text exchange. Both are incriminating to Martin, but there is a big difference between the two.

Here's what I feel like we know. Incognitos dad claimed Martin was suicidal. The dolphins GM knowing this instructed his players to toughen Martin up instead of handle the situation more delicately. Incognito was one of the main guys asked to carry out the 'code red'. I think the story is increasingly forgiving of incognito, but he doesn't have a good history to necessarily give him the benefit of the doubt. So to me, this still reeks of a completely bone headed way of managing a locker room.

Originally Posted by blaise (Post 10402861)

I think Incognito is an idiot but you're kind of editorializing there. We don't really know what was said.

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 10402872)

ESPN released some of Martin's text today...they were just awful.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10402895)

I don't think I'm editorializing at all. I didn't bring up anything Incognito said. I am talking about a front office and coaching staff that decided to go with the "toughen him up" approach instead of handling the situation more delicately. If Incognito's Dad is right and Martin was suicidal, then that is unbelievably dumb advice.

Originally Posted by blaise (Post 10402918)

What was the actual advice and what context was it given in?

For wll we know it was said in a joking manner or in an offhanded way. We don't know what was said so to portray it as ordering a code red is just an assumption based on limited information.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10402898)

Again... vindicates Incognito's texts, which I figured were joking a lot more than they were racist... But we have to be careful not to assume Martin texted what he did for fun. It's possible he did it just to fit in.

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 10402935)

So Ritchie's text count cause he is the perceived bully and since Martin is the perceived victim because he cried wolf his don't. Got it. Never mind the facts pertaining to his failing career or the fact that his parents are attorneys and there was a ton of money to be made here. Move along, nothing to see here.