I'm pretty sure the medically questionable Royals player was the blue chip in the deal...Tim Collins

With what the Astros gave up for Kazmir I am not worried that we are going to give up too much.

[QUOTE=tk13;11618644]It's not just being results oriented, it's looking at history. Ventura pitched like a #1 starter in the playoffs last year. And Shields at least grinded out a couple wins. You'd be hard pressed to find a recent champion who had a bunch of average starters. We've been debating this for weeks and still no one can give an example. You don't need an All Star rotation but you need a Bumgarner, or Lester, or Carpenter, or Beckett. Pretty much every winner in the last 15 years had an All Star ace. Except maybe the 2005 White Sox, and they had four starters pitching lights out.

Maybe Duffy is about to be that guy. It's very possible, but we still don't know for sure yet.[/QUOTE

Yep, you need an "Ace" that the other team doesnt want to face, once, let alone twice. We have none on the roster at this point. Lets get it done!

Hmm...

How likely is it that the Reds "failed" a player's medical as a negotiating tactic to ask for a better package of players?

I suppose it's possible. But I doubt it's likely.

I worked for a brief time for the company that holds all the NFL teams medical info. That company has more on line security than the NSA.

When a trade is proposed, or made, they electronically move all medical info from one team to the other. It's a really incredible setup.

Don't mean to derail the trade talk conversations but wanted to post this..

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/escobar...4180--mlb.html

Read this from the link above.....at the bottom:

"DAVIS JOINS O'BRIEN

Royals RHP Wade Davis threw his fifth scoreless outing since the All-Star break to lower his ERA to 0.43. He is the second pitcher in big league history to record an ERA below 0.50 after 40 innings, joining Red Sox pitcher Buck O'Brien, 0.38 in 1911."

Every time I watch Davis pitch he is just overpowering....it's almost as if he is making the batters look like HS players.

And people sometimes forget he was the "other" player in the Shields-for-Will Meyers trade.

GMs are a small group. You don't want to get a reputation for being a snake. If you can't be trusted, other GMs won't deal with you.

No derailment. All we're doing is running around the internet like a chicken with its head cut off and chasing twitter for any measly morsel of speculative conjecture until something happens or we got the trade deadline equivalent of being catfished.

Until then, it's a world that trades in hypotheticals and supposition.

Who knows what the Reds ultimate intentions are exactly. I wouldn't be so much worried about us figuring out an alternative trade if we were operating within a vacuum. It's the fact that a failed trade leaked, putting the rest of the teams on notice.

So, we lay in wait in the danger zone of someone else coming in at the 11th hour and getting Cueto while leaving us standing around with our dick in hand.

People also forget that he was essentially traded for Jake Odorizzi...who is a stud.

Anyone getting flashbacks of Emmanuel Sanders aquisition with Cueto? Totally different situations, but we were *this* close to getting Sanders and apparently we were *this* close to getting Cueto.

Lineup today
@goldbergkc: #Royals vs LHP Keuchel:
Escobar SS
Cain CF
Morales 1B
Perez C
Rios RF
Infante 2B
Cuthbert 3B
Orlando LF
Butera C
Ventura P

DH?

I presume Salvy is the DH

Yes dh