But it they are being fired from an AR then that's a scary gun, thus.....

When the will of the people told them to go **** yourself, they put people inside of the ATF that can do things unilaterally.


I would say "Thank goodness" that they didn't go after the ammo I use, but it's only a matter of time before they try.

[quote=notorious;11326254]When the will of the people told them to go **** yourself, they put people inside of the ATF that can do things unilaterally.


I would say "Thank goodness" that they didn't go after the ammo I use, but it's only a matter of time before they try.[/quote]

Yeah you're probably correct there. The only gun I have that I don't have enough ammo to last me a lifetime for at this point is the AK and that's because I have only had it a few months. This last order will put me at 3K rounds and I will keep buying here and there until I hit 10K.

Of course, because raising the cost of ammo will keep criminals from getting it just like background checks work for them not getting guns!!! :hmmm:

[QUOTE=Bwana;11326262]how many rounds of ammo do you own?

[QUOTE=petegz28;11326316]I couldn't tell you.


Probably between 40-50k + of .380, .38. 9mm, .40, 45, 45 mag, 5.56, .308, 30-06, .270, .338 Lapua Mag. Most is 5.56 and .308.


Almost every round I own is hand loaded. I don't mess with the off-shelf stuff unless it's for my AK or SKS.

Sierra Match King FTW. For cheap plinking the Midsouth dog bullets are awesome and only cost .08 a piece when purchased in bulk. With powder and prime that's about .20/round for a bullet that will smoke almost anything off shelf for accuracy.

I told my dad I might rest easy at 100k. Bullets are an investment at this point.

Amazing. In less than 24 hours since finding out about this, damn near every one of my usual online ammo sources is out of M855. I already had a small stash I purchased last year, but never touched it. Probably should've bought more before falling asleep.

This stuff is gonna be the new .22LR. Everybody wants it now that they can't have it.

I'll sell them mine when the rest runs out and it's at a stupid price, I can't stand the stuff.

I'll probably sell off some, but I don't want to deplete the entire M855 stash just yet. Many places had it for $.33 - $.40 cents per round. I wouldn't be surprised to see the price increase 50% over the following weeks and months.

I just might buy some more today just for the hell of it. With the current administration in the White House, anything gun-related purchase is turning out to be a financial investment.

Yeah I just went in and bought 10 boxes for shits giggles and future resale a few minutes ago myself. It's not like I was short on AR ammo. :)

I'm gonna go check out Walmart and the sporting goods stores just to see if the locals have caught on yet.

I bet they haven't but after the water cooler gossip on Monday there will be a mad rush. I bet I could head over to Cabala's just down the road and buy cases if I felt so inclined. My guess is by next weekend it will be completely dried up.

I have a feeling that the local Walmarts have been cleaned out already, along with Bass Pro. Probably some left at Academy and Cabelas.

I went ahead and purchased some PMC X-Tac M855 online from Sportsman's Guide. Got free shipping along with a discount for using my Sportsman's Guide credit card, and used their 4-Pay plan. Probably the best deal out there at the moment. It came out to 38.5 cents per round.

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/produ...-ammo?a=745158

Free shipping code is "SH1390" for anybody that wants some while its in stock and reasonably priced.

At the prices 855 is going, just save your money and get better ammo.


This particular scare is kind of stupid. There is plenty of other ammo out there that is much better.


Of course, this will strongly hurt the brass market since a lot of 2nd hand brass is from 855.

I need to go buy some ammo. I'm down to under 500 9mm..

http://i.imgur.com/7c3x5YN.jpg

Also thinking about a little wood furniture for my Beretta. What do you guys think?

I have a 92FS, and it's a simply gorgeous handgun.


Do what you like, I don't think it can be screwed up (short of a Broncos/Rainbow grip)

Mine is an M9a1, i absolutely love it. But i must say, after handling my M&P Shield 9mm.. That thing seems gigantic by comparison.

Agreed. It is stupid, but it shouldn't be surprising given the last few years: mass shootings, the threat of an Assault Weapons Ban, and gov't decrees banning certain guns/ammo.

[QUOTE=notorious;11326325].338 Laupua??? What you slinging those with?

AR-30a1

Dude..SWWEEEEEETTTTT!!!!!

I just went down to the local Cabela's for the hell of it and they are still loaded up with it. I bought 10 boxes just to justify my gas in my super duty to drive down there and as they say, you can never have to much ammo. ;)

Proposed ban on 855. I don't think it will go through, but the damage is done.

It was grouping about 5-6" at 1000 yards with 300gr Sierra Match Kings. The MK's out shot the Lapua Scenars.


91 grain of powder makes me :eek: when loading. Scary.

Indeed, I figure if it doesn't I'll just use it to chop down some trees and or slay some gophers. :D

On a side note the ammo companies have to be rubbing one out because sales have to be going through the roof for the crap. I'm surprised cheaper than dirt hasn't raised their prices to $2 a round, useless rat soup outfit that they are. After what those assholes pulled during the last ammo scare I would rather throw rocks at a grizzly than buy their ammo or anything else they sell. There have been times I have paid more money for the same thing just to avoid giving them any business over the last two years.

Piss on CTD.


I have never found a good deal from them.

What kind of Optics do you guys use?

that's a nice looking pistol right there...

I have a Burris C4 Plus on my deer rifle and I have another one on my AR10

1 AR15 has an EOTech and the other has a 3 power Leopold with 45 degree backup sights

Then I have a 700 with a Nightforce on it

Im trying to find a 22 revolver cheap to teach my kids with. Any suggestions for a cheap revolver? Dont really care if single or double action.

Help.

Anybody own or shoot the XDS 9MM vs. the XDS 45?

Which did you buy and why?

thanks

If you are looking to stay on the low end I might look at a Heritage Manufacturing Rough Rider with the 6.5" barrel. I have one I use just to mess around up in the hills. I think you should be able to pick on of for around $100. http://www.heritagemfg.com/product_detail.cfm?prod_id=5

http://www.handgunsmag.com/files/2012/05/RRFeature.jpg

I have the 45

I got it because I like having the knock down power of a 45..I have seen what 9 and 45 do to bodies..when it comes to my life on the line I want to make sure I can stop the person

That being said you can have all the power in the world but if it isn't comfortable for you to shoot it does no good..if you can shoot them before you buy I would recommend it to see which recoil allows you to get a follow up shot off accurately the quickest

I have an XD-9 and I will be getting the XDS-9 simply because I already have a lot of 9mm. If I didn't have that I would go with the 45.

Do it!

I've wanted a 686 for years now. And in the past month and a half, I bought a new 686 4" barrel and a 686 Plus 3" barrel. Haven't had a chance to shoot the 3" yet, but the 4" is great. Shooting .38 Specials through that thing is a pleasure. Almost no recoil to the point that it feels like I'm shooting a 22 pistol. And its also the most accurate handgun I have.

So this M855/SS109 ban... Is it 5.56 ammo in general, or a particular type of 5.56 ammo? Pardon my ignorance.

So far, its only going to be the M855/SS109. But its having a trickle down effect on all other 5.56. People are stocking up on XM193 and other available 5.56 while they can.

Well the 45 would have more recoil then the 9 I don't think its debatable.

Sweet gun.

That's very true..I have shot 45 for years and have been able to manage the recoil better than most people..which is why I said that..I didn't know how much experience he had with a 45 so I didn't want to sell him short

Have you looked at the ballistics data on modern 9mm rounds? Penetration and expansion rates are almost identical to the 40 and 45 now. A lot of law enforcement uunits are switching to the 9. More rounds, less recoil, quicker target acquisition between rounds, and practically identical performance. The whole 9mm don't have stopping power is an outdated assumption.

I understand all that..it is incredible what people can do with round ballistics these days..but when you have a person charging you and you need to put them down quick do you want a bullet the size of a 9 going into someone and hoping that smaller round can hit something vital or the bigger round going in and hoping it hits something

I get what you are saying..I misused stopping power because I was typing fast and didn't think of the right word..ability to cause a larger wound cavity..is probably what I should of said

http://www.btfh.net/shoot/images/bullet-test-6/hst.jpg
The difference in expansion size (wound cavity) is less than a 1/10th of a millimeter. Thats such a negligible difference that the abilty to accurately apply more 9 rounds down range more than makes up for the very tiny size difference.

I have one. I bought in the pawn shop for 99 bucks. Came with the 22 mag cylinder to. Not a bad pistol for snakes & such.the safety is god awfull .

I will try to find it but the wound channel and the secondary wound channel caused by the 45 is greater than that of a 9..that is what I am trying to say

I get that the 9 on paper looks very close to a 45 but I have seen what they both do in the real world..from seeing all of that I would rather have a 45..if you guys trust the 9 to do the job that is great it is all about personal preference but after all I have seen I will not trust a 9..even more so when someone is drugged up and coming towards me

There is a reason the military and cops are not carrying the 9mm anymore.

http://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/25628/7297.JPG

Here is one of the pictures I was talking about. I will try to find a few more to better explain what it is I am trying to say

Good deal on 55gr 223 - Freedom Munitions

Also, use the coupon code "freeship514" for free shipping. I got it for just under $0.27 a round.

When I was working investigations in Europe (back in the 70s) I was carrying a 1911 until my supervisor "informed" me that we were going to the 9mm. I loved the new guns (Sigs) but hated the 9mm.

To this day I am a Sig guy but long ago switched back to the .45. I have a couple of 9mm's - but use them for plinking only - which, in my opinion, is about all they are good for. Now, having said that, they WILL kill you dead and the FPS is good on those rounds. Maybe a little too good. Part of the problem with stopping power is that they tend to go through fast, without a lot of damage. Hitting someone with a 45 is like taking a ball bat to the chest.

I've heard of people taking .45 rounds and getting up....but not very often. :)

I shoot a 9, and hear this all the time. My response is, "why don't you go down range then charge at me, I'll shoot you with my 9, and we'll see if you stop." It usually settles down this argument.

You could use the same argument with a 380..nobody wants to get shot..I don't care if people shoot a 9..the guy asked between a 9 and 45..I told him my opinion on my experience with both guns..I have seen the damage cause by both first hand..I would rather trust my life with a 45 if I had to pick out of those 2

I don't have a problem with either round, or the choices people make as far as their protection goes. My problem arises when people start telling ME what I should shoot, or carry as protection. Its like motorcycles. I don't care what you ride, but the second you turn your nose up at my bike because it's not a Harley, you are dead to me.

I'm not trying to tell anybody what to shoot. I gave my opinion on the choices he laid out and then it turned into a big debate on which is better. If someone wants to carry a 9 instead of a 45 that is fine. Hell I would rather carry my 40 than either one of them.

I never said you were trying to tell someone what to shoot. I saw the debate raging, and quoted you because it seemed to be the source.

Yeah I'm pretty sure I was the one who stirred up the pot..wasn't intentional but it has turned into a good time

I knew you weren't saying I was trying to tell him what to do and I agree with you on not going for people telling me what to do..you can give me your opinion and I will make my choice

Oh you do suck for not riding a Harley :D

Just ****ing with you I just bought my first Harley yesterday..I don't give a shit what anyone rides as long as they enjoy it

Nice, I'll look for pics in the motorcycle thread. keep that shiny side up.

A man once told me "a 9mm may expand, but a 45acp will never shrink"

The FBI is transitioning back to the 9mm. So are a lot of police departments.

I get what you're saying, not trying to argue but the FBI's forensics lab claims the difference is practically negligible. To each his own.

I have a solution! Everyone should own a 9mm pistol, a .40 pistol, and a .45 pistol. Problem solved!

There are people out there that don't? :hmmm:

On a side note if anyone is looking for some 10mm that just goes bang, this is a decent deal and these guys are great to work with. I don't need any, but at that price I just had to buy 4 boxes for shits and giggles.

http://www.selwayarmory.com/prvipart...878b-104980557

They also have a hell of a deal on some 9mm but only 32 boxes left as of this posting.

http://www.selwayarmory.com/fedealch...878b-104980557

JFC

http://www.eurooptic.com/schmidt-ben...w-ral8000.aspx

http://www.eurooptic.com/images/prod...56-Ral8000.jpg

JFC indeed! Six and a half large for that thing? You could buy a lot of guns for that kind of jack.

Some guys did a lot of work to compare the best scopes money can buy:

http://precisionrifleblog.com/2014/0...scope-line-up/


I have a couple of the scopes mentioned. I can't imagine spending what some of the more expensive scopes cost, but in the end it's all relative.

Edit: only 20 boxes of the 9mm left now at that price. If you need some now is the time to get on it.

And do the same thing with a lot cheaper scope.


I don't even like the reticle.

Exactly

Ha ha, I wish. I only own 9mms, one for the home defense and one for conceal carry. Will probably eventually get a .45, as well.

Dang, wish I would have seen this thread yesterday.

I'm buying a Beretta px4 storm at some point this week. I currently don't own a gun besides a .50 cal black powder rifle.

What caliber are you going with?

Probably 9mm

Good choice. You can buy some nasty ammo for self defense and cheap plinking ammo for practice.

Recoil will be manageable for followup shots.


Every Beretta I have owned and shot have operated like a fine sewing machine. They are excellent firearms.

Yeah, home defense and target shooting is what I'm getting it for.

Good deal but I'm still waiting for those guys to ship out some 5.56 ammo I ordered two weeks ago. They need to hire a few more guys in their shipping department.

CDNN is the only place I buy firearms online. Check out this smoking deal.
http://www.cdnnsports.com/walther-pp...l#.VOyHyE10w08

Also they have a Ruger SR22 which I just purchased from them at $270

ATF pushes bullet ban, threatens top-selling AR-15 rifle

The article has a link to the actual ATF notice - ATF FRAMEWORK FOR DETERMINING WHETHER
CERTAIN PROJECTILES ARE “PRIMARILY INTENDED FOR SPORTING PURPOSES”
WITHIN THE MEANING OF 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(C) - and in it they also declare that the 22lr projectile is considered to be armor piercing but they are "giving it an exemption". Who are these clowns?