Meche is starting his rehab this week. .....not that I'm expecting him to be any better.

Yeah, do anybody know the Sabermetrics behind him? There is something that indicates if a hitter is getting lucky or unlucky. Maybe that will help us. I only ask because he's a great contact hitter. Problem is he can't walk for shit, neither can any of our team.

I figured 2013 would be the year just judging by our young talent.

2013 is the schedule for the first wave, but Moore says the second wave will be 2014-15, and this is when we can expect to be competitive.

I remember posting...in 05 on this message board....as a frickin joke that we will be ready in 14......anyone remember that? I would troll and put "gordon rumored for trading block"

06-25-2004, 02:51 PM
Royals young pitcher Zach Grienke is the talk of rumors these days. With pitches that vary from 90 mph to 65 mph he is a hitters worst nightmare and a owners dream. "Realistically we know we can't keep him" GM Allan Baird said. "We will have to trade him now to get what we can, because we know he won't be coming back in 2008" The talk around the diamonds is a 3 Way deal Sending Grienke to the yankees, Yankees sending books to Lincoln Junior High, and in turn the royals get the rights to a soft throwing left handed kickball pitcher. "It's a sad state of affairs, but I think we are getting good value" Baird said.

If we're really playing for 2014, I'd absolutely consider trade offers for Greinke, and Soria will definitely need to be dealt.

Also, if you believe in Hosmer, it's time to find out what the return would be for Butterball.

Honestly, though, talk of 2014-15 is complete and utter garbage and sounds like a pitiful excuse for someone who is posturing for job reasons.

could it really hurt to have Rany stop popping zits and get paid full time?

I'm glad to hear that I'm not one of the only people that would listen to offers for Butler. We have like 10 first basement coming up, and Butler is a DH playing 1B. I'm not saying give him away, but alot of Royal fans say he is untradeable.

You trade him based on the responses to the following criteria:

1. Do you believe the power will develop?
2. Payroll limitations (*cough* bullshit)

As I've said in other threads, if what we see now is what Butterball's fat ass will be, he's a #2 hitter. And I don't want to hear the "But he can't bunt or run!!11" cries. Luckily, it's not '77.

He could also project in the 5 hole. But he's currently not a #3-4. What is this type of DH worth to the organization, financially speaking, too?

In an ideal world, I keep him. DH him, and put him in the 2 hole.

I'd rather have Butler at 7 than 2. I don't care how good he hits. We could have Adam Dunn, Mike Piazza, and Louie Anderson at 3/4/5 and he'd still clog them up on the bases.

Sure, but I think that's too late for a guy who could be a consistent .320/.380/.485, with a ton of doubles.

Yeah, he clogs the bases. But there's a lot to be said for the fact that he's consistently on them, often in scoring position. Thus, I'll take my chances with his lumbering lack of athleticism.

"Clogging the bases" is one of the more overrated concerns in all of baseball.

No, saying clogging the bases is overrated is one of the most overrated things in baseball. But that's a whole other argument I'm not going to waste the next 100 posts on.

Bottom line, if Butler is what he is... and we certainly don't know that yet... I'd still rather have Alex Gordon batting in the 2 hole. I don't mean that you need a guy who can steal 70 bases there or bunt or any 1985 baseball stuff. But if that #2 guy singles, Hosmer comes up next and hits a double, that #2 guy needs to be a pretty safe bet to score from first. That is what I think.

I think when we give Alex Gordon an entire season he's going to do fine. Are we just trying to screw him so we can hang onto him longer? Is that why we have him down there. As is, how long do we have him locked up for?