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Mecca 07-20-2010 10:14 PM

I most likely wouldn't trade Butler because the odds all these guys pan out isn't that high...Hosmer and Moustakas sure I can see them panning out, but that still leaves Butler with a spot.

A guy like Kila that's questionable if he'd even come close to being what Butler is.

Reaper16 07-20-2010 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 6890366)
No, saying clogging the bases is overrated is one of the most overrated things in baseball. But that's a whole other argument I'm not going to waste the next 100 posts on.

And the winner by forfeit - Reaper16!

DeezNutz 07-20-2010 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6890395)
I most likely wouldn't trade Butler because the odds all these guys pan out isn't that high...Hosmer and Moustakas sure I can see them panning out, but that still leaves Butler with a spot.

A guy like Kila that's questionable if he'd even come close to being what Butler is.

Depends on the return. But there are so many warts in Butler's overall game that his worth is probably greater to the Royals than any other team, just like every other decent ****ing player not named Soria or Greinke on the roster.

Mecca 07-20-2010 10:26 PM

I'm all for trading guys it's just when you have a spot for a DH you might as well not go trading that guy till you're sure you have another guy.

Preferably the Royals would get 2 months this year and next year to see if Kila can get it done playing everyday.

DeezNutz 07-20-2010 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6890414)
I'm all for trading guys it's just when you have a spot for a DH you might as well not go trading that guy till you're sure you have another guy.

Preferably the Royals would get 2 months this year and next year to see if Kila can get it done playing everyday.

Don't agree with that. We need to sell high on flawed commodities.

But, as I said, in an ideal world I'd keep Butterball. It's just interesting to talk about in light of Moore's 2014-15 bullshit.

Mecca 07-20-2010 10:30 PM

I doubt you'd get much for him, no NL team is going to want him, there are better hitters on the market most contending AL teams have a DH.

I don't really view Butler as a problem other than he should probably be a 6 or 7 hitter instead of a 3 or 4 hitter.

DeezNutz 07-20-2010 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6890424)
I doubt you'd get much for him, no NL team is going to want him, there are better hitters on the market most contending AL teams have a DH.

I don't really view Butler as a problem other than he should probably be a 6 or 7 hitter instead of a 3 or 4 hitter.

No, he's not a "problem," but I'll stand by my statement that you don't have a player with his OBP, doubles, and OPS hitting that low in the order.

Mecca 07-20-2010 10:43 PM

Sure you can, it just means your lineup is good.

The thing will be if the Royals can actually develop the rest of the bats.

ChiefsCountry 07-20-2010 10:43 PM

Butler is a poor man's Tony Gwynn. Gwynn always batted in the #2 hole.

Mecca 07-20-2010 10:45 PM

In his younger days Gwynn was a far superior base runner than Butler is.

kcchiefsus 07-21-2010 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6890424)
I doubt you'd get much for him, no NL team is going to want him, there are better hitters on the market most contending AL teams have a DH.

I don't really view Butler as a problem other than he should probably be a 6 or 7 hitter instead of a 3 or 4 hitter.

I doubt you have paid attention to baseball that closely this year then because the DH's have sucked this year.

duncan_idaho 07-21-2010 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 6890440)
Butler is a poor man's Tony Gwynn. Gwynn always batted in the #2 hole.

Not really. Even in his ridiculous 1997 season - in which the ball was at its juiciest - Gwynn had fewer XBH than Butler did at age 23.

Billy Butler is one of the best young hitters in the game. Is he ever going to hit 40 bombs? No, probably not. But I can live with a guy hitting 25 a year in his prime, with 45 2Bs, especially when he hits .320.

Butler is falling victim, it seems, to a little of the same hometown hate David DeJesus feels. He's being very underrated by most on this board.

ChiTown 07-21-2010 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 6890662)
Not really. Even in his ridiculous 1997 season - in which the ball was at its juiciest - Gwynn had fewer XBH than Butler did at age 23.

Billy Butler is one of the best young hitters in the game. Is he ever going to hit 40 bombs? No, probably not. But I can live with a guy hitting 25 a year in his prime, with 45 2Bs, especially when he hits .320.

Butler is falling victim, it seems, to a little of the same hometown hate David DeJesus feels. He's being very underrated by most on this board.

Billy's biggest problem? He doesn't want to play here, and the fans know it.

SAUTO 07-21-2010 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 6890676)
Billy's biggest problem? He doesn't want to play here, and the fans know it.

honest question here.

what makes you say that?

Al Bundy 07-21-2010 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6890709)
honest question here.

what makes you say that?

There were some comments about him being frustrated about playing in KC because of the lack of attention and he thought it was hurting him all star voting wise a few weeks ago. I of course can't find them now. I personally think some Royals fans over value him. He is the 4th best 1st basemen in the division, he has turned into a singles hitter and will hit into twice as many double plays as homeruns this year.


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