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DJ's left nut 03-21-2023 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 16867111)
What kind of contract would you give D Hop? I’d do 3/55

Nope.

He's due, what, $20 million this year on his present deal? So let's say that's restructured into some sort of bonus whereby $8 million of it is absorbed by Arizona and we take $12 million of it. I'd be willing to add 2/$32 on top of that with say $14 million in year 1 and $18 million in year 2.

So the 'new' contract becomes 3 years, $44 million with years 1 and 2 being guaranteed at $26 million total and year 3 being something of an option year.

This is still a 31 yr old WR who's yards/target fell pretty hard last season despite his catch% remaining stable, so it tells you he simply lost explosion last season. I'm not giving nearly $20 million/season for a guy's 31-33 seasons.

At 30 years old Julio Jones, who was simply better than Hopkins in every meaningful way, was still one of the best WRs in football. At 32 he was a journeyman. The wall is real and the threat of it should not be ignored.

BleedingRed 03-21-2023 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16867138)
Nope.

He's due, what, $20 million this year on his present deal? So let's say that's restructured into some sort of bonus whereby $8 million of it is absorbed by Arizona and we take $12 million of it. I'd be willing to add 2/$32 on top of that with say $14 million in year 1 and $18 million in year 2.

So the 'new' contract becomes 3 years, $44 million with years 1 and 2 being guaranteed at $26 million total and year 3 being something of an option year.

This is still a 31 yr old WR who's yards/target fell pretty hard last season despite his catch% remaining stable, so it tells you he simply lost explosion last season. I'm not giving nearly $20 million/season for a guy's 31-33 seasons.

At 30 years old Julio Jones, who was simply better than Hopkins in every meaningful way, was still one of the best WRs in football. At 32 he was a journeyman. The wall is real and the threat of it should not be ignored.

We wouldn't pay 20 million

The Franchise 03-21-2023 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 16867153)
We wouldn't pay 20 million

His base salary is $19.45 million this year.

MIAdragon 03-21-2023 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ShowtimeSBMVP (Post 16867053)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As the status of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AZCardinals?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AZCardinals</a> star WR DeAndre Hopkins comes into focus, talks are ramping up among the interested teams, sources say. Similar to Brandin Cooks, a trade would likely mean an altered contract.</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1638180009067290624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 21, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Altered as in they’re sending money too or he wants an extension?

BleedingRed 03-21-2023 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16867158)
His base salary is $19.45 million this year.

We don't pay his guaranteed money,

The Franchise 03-21-2023 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon (Post 16867164)
Altered as in they’re sending money too or he wants an extension?

Cooks restructured his contract with the Cowboys after being traded. Hopkins would probably have to do the same thing.

PHOG 03-21-2023 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 16866927)
1,576!!!

Source: The 788th post in this thread

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DJ's left nut 03-21-2023 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 16867153)
We wouldn't pay 20 million

I'm responding to Mahomo's 3/$55 proposal which would yield 'nearly $20 million'.

I'm not offering that.

DJ's left nut 03-21-2023 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 16867165)
We don't pay his guaranteed money,

Technically speaking we would, in a trade. That's the benefit to trading for guys who have a great deal of their cap figure in pro-rated bonus vs. guaranteed salary. The entire salary follows the player whereas with bonus money it just accelerates onto the trading teams cap.

But practically speaking, as the Cardinals are willing to restructure his deal and presumably convert part of that guaranteed salary into bonus, they'd absorb that bonus money.

And how much of that money they're willing to absorb will likely control their return. Because the more of it they will absorb, the more flexibility we'll have in structuring a LTC.

The Franchise 03-21-2023 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16867179)
Technically speaking we would, in a trade. That's the benefit to trading for guys who have a great deal of their cap figure in pro-rated bonus vs. guaranteed salary. The entire salary follows the player whereas with bonus money it just accelerates onto the trading teams cap.

But practically speaking, as the Cardinals are willing to restructure his deal and presumably convert part of that guaranteed salary into bonus, they'd absorb that bonus money.

And how much of that money they're willing to absorb will likely control their return. Because the more of it they will absorb, the more flexibility we'll have in structuring a LTC.

I think that's where we might be getting into the 2nd round pick range. If they take on a big portion of his money, then I could see them getting that high of pick.

MahomesMagic 03-21-2023 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16867126)
Even if you trade for Hopkins, I still think you find a rookie WR that can be your deep threat. You won't need him a ton this year because you have MVS for that role but you can get out of his contract next year. You'd have Hopkins and Kelce as your top 2. Toney would be your kind of "do everything", Moore would be your slot and the rookie would be your deep threat.


Find a WR that can run go routes and adjust to the ball.

My sleeper a few years ago was Darnell Mooney who went in the 5th.

If we could find a similar bargain we could move off MVS next year and save $$$.

Hammock Parties 03-21-2023 09:35 AM

same shit juju did for us last year, only juju with a turbo on him

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/dZg4UNzcnw">pic.twitter.com/dZg4UNzcnw</a></p>&mdash; Ja (@WokeThuney) <a href="https://twitter.com/WokeThuney/status/1638196226712805378?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 21, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

DJ's left nut 03-21-2023 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16867181)
I think that's where we might be getting into the 2nd round pick range. If they take on a big portion of his money, then I could see them getting that high of pick.

Right. I had them taking on roughly 40% of it in my "we'll give them a 2" hypothetical.

I think the Texans took on, what, 33% of Cooks? And the Cowboys bonused out a big chunk of the remainder to get his year 1 number down to $4 million.

That's kinda the scenario we'd need to see unfold.

DJ's left nut 03-21-2023 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16867185)
same shit juju did for us last year, only juju with a turbo on him

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/dZg4UNzcnw">pic.twitter.com/dZg4UNzcnw</a></p>&mdash; Ja (@WokeThuney) <a href="https://twitter.com/WokeThuney/status/1638196226712805378?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 21, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Turbo button?

Bro - that's a LB who's gobbling up green there; Murray gained about 5 yards on him over 12.

Hopkins is definitely better than JuJu. Likely healthier even with the age difference as well. But I'd tap the brakes a bit on 'turbo' - Hopkins has pretty average NFL speed these days.

Hammock Parties 03-21-2023 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16867190)
But I'd tap the brakes a bit on 'turbo' - Hopkins has pretty average NFL speed these days.

I'm just saying he's a better version of JuJu. He has more explosion.

Literally looks like everything JuJu did last year, he's just better at it.

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