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DeezNutz 12-31-2012 03:56 PM

Formatting sucks, but you get the point.

Offensive genious was pretty paltry his entire tenure in Baltimore. OC? Sign me up. HC? No thanks.

mcaj22 12-31-2012 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9260680)
Total offense: Billick Cowher
99: 24 22
00: 16 18
01: 14 3
02: 26 5
03: 21 22
04: 31 16
05: 24 15
06: 17 7
07: 22 --

Scoring: Billick Cowher
99: 14 17
00: 14 17
01: 18 7
02: 23 8
03: 8 19
04: 20 11
05: 25 9
06: 12 12
07: 24 --



post Reids. I am pretty sure it craps on both of them

BossChief 12-31-2012 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9260680)
Total offense: Billick Cowher
99: 24 22
00: 16 18
01: 14 3
02: 26 5
03: 21 22
04: 31 16
05: 24 15
06: 17 7
07: 22 --

Scoring: Billick Cowher
99: 14 17
00: 14 17
01: 18 7
02: 23 8
03: 8 19
04: 20 11
05: 25 9
06: 12 12
07: 24 --

the dancing should be fun to watch.

Bill Cowher is BY FAR the superior coach.

Shit, Andy Reid is a better coach as well.

htismaqe 12-31-2012 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9260675)
What does that have to do with improving the offense?

HE BECAME A DEFENSIVE HEAD COACH.

This isn't rocket surgery...

DeezNutz 12-31-2012 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9260663)
Think about all the players he and Ozzie drafted in his time there. It's a goddamn HOF wing.

All that is missing is the QB - and it could be argued he never really had a chance. It cost too much to move up high in the draft until this decade.

Oh noes, he passed on Chad Pennington and Patrick Ramsey.

He traded up to choose between Kyle Boller and Rex Grossman.

I guess you can blame him for missing out on Drew Brees - just like 31 other teams missed out.

No way we're using this excuse. Hell, this is a Pioli wet dream type of line.

What about lack of playoff success?

DeezNutz 12-31-2012 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9260694)
post Reids. I am pretty sure it craps on both of them

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...alse&Submit=Go

OnTheWarpath15 12-31-2012 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9260686)
And with all that talent, Brian Billick still couldnt get the offense straightened out.

Cowher went to superbowls with bad quarterbacks and when he got a good one, he won championships and set the team up for sustained success.

Bill Cowher would be a far better hire than Brian Billick.

JMO

He went to A Super Bowl with a bad QB. And he lost it.

Championships with a good QB? He won in 2005. That's it.

Billick WON a Super Bowl with a bad QB, and never fell ass-backwards into one like Cowher did Roethlisberger. Billick also didn't get an extra 8 years to trip over said QB.

Go back and look at the drafts where Baltimore was picking high. What QB did Billick and Newsome pass on?

AdumbGuy 12-31-2012 04:01 PM

The thing that scares me most about billick is that for an offensive genius, he kept kyle boller in for that long. Kyle boller wasn't just bad like kordell stewart bad, kyle boller was absolutely terrible. Remind you of anybody?

DeezNutz 12-31-2012 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9260699)
HE BECAME A DEFENSIVE HEAD COACH.

This isn't rocket surgery...

OK. We can hire him for his defensive acumen and professionalism, and we'll need to get a high-quality OC to compensate.

If this is going to be the argument, fine. This is more plausible and acceptable than pointing to his prolific offenses in MN, while excusing his mediocre ones in Baltimore. Not saying you're doing this.

DJ's left nut 12-31-2012 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9260665)
So for the pro Billick guys, what happened to him after they wont he SB?

Elvis Grbac.

It's amazing just how much Grbac's cowardice !@#$ed over the Chiefs and Ravens.

Billick saw Grbac throwing those pretty deep passes off play-action in KC and thought he could upgrade on Dilfer to perhaps re-create those deep tandems he had in Minn. with Cunningham chucking it deep to Moss. Grbac, for everything he did poorly, did have a nice deep ball.

Then Grbac got paid and showed his true colors - a pussy and a quitter. He refused to take a pay cut, so the Ravens released him and when they did, he quit. If he wanted to be a football player, he'd have restructured his deal and stayed with Baltimore, but when he refused and quit, he left the Ravens in an incredible lurch.

When he walked in 2002, they had no choice but to aggressively pursue a QB that could come in and play immediately. They had to scramble in 2002 and (shocker) Jeff Blake and Chris Redman weren't the answer. With a SB caliber defense, the needed someone under center and couldn't try to do the late round, draft/develop thing for even a single year. They needed a QB and they needed one immediately for the 2003 season.

So they used a 1st rounder on a guy that many did believe was the most talented QB in the draft that year. And they had to give him his 3 years to develop. And let's be honest - Boller was the only defensible QB choice there; everyone after him was utter shit.

Elvis Grbac's cowardice is the disaster the undid Brian Billick. That and desperation born of the wasted 2002 after the Grbac debacle.

BossChief 12-31-2012 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9260699)
HE BECAME A DEFENSIVE HEAD COACH.

This isn't rocket surgery...

WHAT?

More like his specialty (offense) was not good and he was lucky that Ray Lewis was able to carry his ass to a superbowl and hand him the trophy.

There is no way Billick is a better option than Bill Cowher.

DeezNutz 12-31-2012 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9260709)
He went to A Super Bowl with a bad QB. And he lost it.

Championships with a good QB? He won in 2005. That's it.

Billick WON a Super Bowl with a bad QB, and never fell ass-backwards into one like Cowher did Roethlisberger. Billick also didn't get an extra 8 years to trip over said QB.

Go back and look at the drafts where Baltimore was picking high. What QB did Billick and Newsome pass on?

Why not?

The Bad Guy 12-31-2012 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9260586)
Actually, apparently only you and I can agree on that.

People all morning have been saying HC is more important than the person building the roster.

I'm of the opinion that the person coaching the talent should have the final say in building the roster.

AdumbGuy 12-31-2012 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9260699)
HE BECAME A DEFENSIVE HEAD COACH.

This isn't rocket surgery...

he just forgot how to be an offensive genius

WilliamTheIrish 12-31-2012 04:04 PM

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Then there's this piece of info. Clark talked with Peyton Manning at length Sunday night. He wanted to know why the Chiefs weren't considered and everything Peyton said pointed the finger squarely on Pioli. Said Pioli's rep across the league is terrible. His inability to foster a "team" environment instead of one ruled like a dictator was huge too.
Frank, do you believe this part of the email? I just have a hard time fathoming that our "in touch" owner is this far out of the loop.

If your franchise is embroiled in an ageism lawsuit, the players have quit, the fans have revolted, the GM has put a muzzle on the entire organization EXCEPT for Eric Winston's ability to throw the fans under the bus, and you need Manning to tell you how ****ed up your organization is?.... well .. i don't even...


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